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Old 03-02-2007, 06:30 PM   #1
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But you could easily attack Manning's accomplishments by pointing out the way the PI rules have changed, the way his gyrations don't seem to get called, the way QB pressure rules have changed, as well as his receivers aren't chopped liver by any mesure. Manning is real, real good, no doubt about that but I'd still rather have Montana.


Or maybe Peyton is that good and makes the other players play better.. The guy is called the Field Marshall for a reason, his passes are money and the whole laser rocket arm thing...
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Old 03-02-2007, 10:37 AM   #2
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Other guys have more rings, and no disrespect to Montana, he's #2 on my list, but no QB ever played with more talent around him than he did.

My only argument is that Terry Bradshaw played with more talent around him, IMO. I doubt we will ever see as many Hall of Fame Players from those 49er teams than we do with the Steelers. Actually I should ask the questions since several folks believe this:

Tell me the players on the 49ers that were so speacial other Jerry and Joe: Dwight had a very mediocre career, Roger Craig wasn't hot, and maybe they had 1 CB, plus Ronnie Lott of course, and he wasn't there for the whole ride. Joe won his first Super Bowl with nobody on his team, they fought very hard to win that thing. In the Dallas Championship game, they basically lost, except for "the catch" Dwight made.

Anyway, I just a few reasons I wanted to point out.


You have a good point about Peyton, but his offensive talent also exceeds what Joe had for the first part of his great career, as well.
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Old 03-02-2007, 10:41 AM   #3
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Tell me the players on the 49ers that were so speacial other Jerry and Joe: Dwight had a very mediocre career, Roger Craig wasn't hot, and maybe they had 1 CB, plus Ronnie Lott of course, and he wasn't there for the whole ride. Joe won his first Super Bowl with nobody on his team, they fought very hard to win that thing. In the Dallas Championship game, they basically lost, except for "the catch" Dwight made.
Joe had a badass defense, plus maybe the best and dirtiest offensive line in football. Which shouldn't diminish his accomplishments...
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Old 03-02-2007, 01:50 PM   #4
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Joe had a badass defense, plus maybe the best and dirtiest offensive line in football. Which shouldn't diminish his accomplishments...
Don't forget the Coach. Walsh could gameplan, and gamescript an opening drive that would make the other team look silly.
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Old 03-02-2007, 09:09 AM   #5
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Old 03-02-2007, 10:24 AM   #6
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If people look at rings as the measuring stick, why don't more people mention Bradshaw?

despite being a total dumbfuck, he won as many rings, and had similar hall-o-fame talent around as Montana
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If people look at rings as the measuring stick, why don't more people mention Bradshaw?

despite being a total dumbfuck, he won as many rings, and had similar hall-o-fame talent around as Montana
Bradshaw seems to be such a jerk-off I'm not sure I could put up with him on my team no matter how good he was. And I still like Montana over him.
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Old 03-02-2007, 01:00 PM   #8
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There's great debate for about 5 QBs over the history of the NFL to be tagged as the best ever. But, the bottom line is that I feel it's really tough to compare QBs that span 20 years... much harder to compare QBs from the 40's to the 90s.

The nut of it is, take the consensus best 5 ever and there are always 2 names at the top... Elway & Montana, either order.

It's fun bar talk though.
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Old 03-02-2007, 01:16 PM   #9
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The nut of it is, take the consensus best 5 ever and there are always 2 names at the top... Elway & Montana, either order.

It's fun bar talk though.
Yeah, but you forget that one of them was the other one's BITCH.
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Old 03-02-2007, 02:37 PM   #10
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Yeah, but you forget that one of them was the other one's BITCH.
Weird, but I think Joe faced the defense of the Broncos in that SB.
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Old 03-02-2007, 02:39 PM   #11
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Weird, but I think Joe faced the defense of the Broncos in that SB.
Note: The 1989 Broncos had the NFL's TOP RANKED DEFENSE.
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Old 03-02-2007, 02:42 PM   #12
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Note: The 1989 Broncos had the NFL's TOP RANKED DEFENSE.
Stats are fun. SF had the NFL's top ranked offense in 1989...

Dan Reeves has been a HC in 4 SB's and the opposing QB in each SB has been the MVP for that game.

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Shamefully, Elway.

He got those first three Bronco Super Bowl teams there on willpower alone.
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Old 03-02-2007, 02:43 PM   #14
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Shamefully, Elway.

He got those first three Bronco Super Bowl teams there on willpower alone.
Note: The 1986 Broncos had the NFL's 7th-ranked defense.

In fact, four of Elway's five Super Bowl teams were ranked in the top 10 on defense. I GUESS THE ****ING LEGEND IS A LITTLE TARNISHED?
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There's great debate for about 5 QBs over the history of the NFL to be tagged as the best ever. But, the bottom line is that I feel it's really tough to compare QBs that span 20 years... much harder to compare QBs from the 40's to the 90s.

The nut of it is, take the consensus best 5 ever and there are always 2 names at the top... Elway & Montana, either order.

It's fun bar talk though.

Then there is the stats of Elway before and with Terrel Davis... Look at his TD/INT ratio with TD carrying that team and then before..
Honestly though Elway is a great QB, especially agianst the Chiefs..



Or maybe he is just a system QB from the Denver Oline scheme...
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