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Deberg_1990 · 10-06-2004, 04:29 PM

I figured I would start a thread for this and see what happens....there seemed to be quite a few viewers on the board for this show the past few weeks.....I like the direction the show is taking so far......episode 3 tonight at 7 central on ABC....

**007** · 06-19-2010, 12:00 AM

This thread reminds me of this quote.

Once you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.

funny thing is, it applies to all of our theories in its own way.

**DaneMcCloud** · 06-19-2010, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by irishjayhawk

So they opened up too many loose ends and couldn't tie them together so they just said screw it, let's do a "dream" ending?

No.

That was the plan all along.

I'm really shocked that you, of all people, can't see this.

It's Screenwriting 101. Decide your beginning and ending.

Everything in between is fair game.

**007** · 06-19-2010, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

No.

That was the plan all along.

I'm really shocked that you, of all people, can't see this.

It's Screenwriting 101. Decide your beginning and ending.

Everything in between is fair game.

See, if Jack had died (closed eyes) in his white shirt and tie, I would easily buy this theory. The fact that he was still in the grey t-shirt and bleeding makes it not work for me though.

Third Eye · 06-19-2010, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Red Brooklyn

Yeah, LOST was way to cerebral and philosophical to be classified as (what I would call) "fluff."

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It can't be fluff when dealing with the content it was dealing with (or attempting to). I just don't think "fluff" could balance time travel, Castaway, good v evil, physics, science v faith, etc etc. I guess you could argue LOST didn't balance it well which made it fluff, but I wouldn't.

I guess I don't see the show being that cerebral and certainly not philosophical. I'll give you the good v evil, but that isn't very deep. They played with the science v faith thing, but in the end I don't really think they broke any new ground there either. They loved to hint at big ideas with book references and character names but to me those themes existed only on the periphery. As an example, sure there are characters named Locke, Rousseau, and Hume (all philosophers who wrote about the "state of nature"), but I don't feel that they ever really developed that other than superficially.

Again, just for clarity, I LOVED the show, just didn't think it was deep.

**DaneMcCloud** · 06-19-2010, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Guru

See, if Jack had died (closed eyes) in his white shirt and tie, I would easily buy this theory. The fact that he was still in the grey t-shirt and bleeding makes it not work for me though.

As I mentioned earlier in this thread, do you wear the same exact clothes when you dream?

And is there a dog licking you when you fall asleep and wake up?

**007** · 06-19-2010, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

As I mentioned earlier in this thread, do you wear the same exact clothes when you dream?

And is there a dog licking you when you fall asleep and wake up?

That is my point though. If they truly wanted the average watcher to see it the way you did they should have kept everything the way they shot it until after the dog lays down, then cut back to the overhead view and the dog is gone, he is in his white shirt and tie, then his eyes close. There would be no mistaking it then. It ends where it begins.

**DaneMcCloud** · 06-19-2010, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Guru

That is my point though. If they truly wanted the average watcher to see it the way you did they should have kept everything the way they shot it until after the dog lays down, then cut back to the overhead view and the dog is gone, he is in his white shirt and tie, then his eyes close. There would be no mistaking it then. It ends where it begins.

Well, Cuse & Lindelof said repeatedly that they wanted a somewhat "ambiguous" ending and personally, I think it was achieved.

**007** · 06-19-2010, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Well, Cuse & Lindelof said repeatedly that they wanted a somewhat "ambiguous" ending and personally, I think it was achieved.

They achieved ambiguous alright. Nothing like confusing the crap out of everyone as well as creating this little disagreements.

**DaneMcCloud** · 06-19-2010, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Guru

They achieved ambiguous alright. Nothing like confusing the crap out of everyone as well as creating this little disagreements.

I'm not confused.

**007** · 06-19-2010, 12:28 AM

How about this proposed ending.

In homage to Bob Newhart and the Newhart Show (1982-1990), Lost ends when we find out everyone other than John Locke is a Virtual Reality Character in a Virtual Reality World from the great underated prematurely cancelled TV Show “Harsh Realm” and John Locke is in fact, General Omar Santiago, who rules this virtual reality world.

**007** · 06-19-2010, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I'm not confused.

Neither am I.

**DaneMcCloud** · 06-19-2010, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Guru

Neither am I.

**007** · 06-19-2010, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Can't get more ambiguous than that. We are both right.

**Reaper16** · 06-19-2010, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Third Eye

They loved to hint at big ideas with book references and character names but to me those themes existed only on the periphery.

That is definitely true.

Lex Luthor · 06-19-2010, 08:26 AM

I'm not confused either. All along some people thought the writers were just making up shit as they went along, and other people were convinced that the writers had a master plan in which they would explain the mysteries of the island.

Well, we sure found out it which theory was correct. The writers WERE making up shit as they went along. They wound up providing half-assed explanations for a few of the mysteries and no explanations at all for a majority of them. They nodded and winked and smugly said "Well, Lost is really all about redemption. It's all about the characters."

They did a fantastic job of creating characters that we all cared about. They get an A+ for that. But in the end they didn't bother to try to tie the loose ends together. They didn't explain anything about so many mysteries that I'm not even going to bother to list them here, other than to ask how the hell Louise Faraday knew so much about the island, who built the wheel that Ben turned to move the island, and why was Jacob so all-knowing and all-powerful when he was actually just a normal man who drank some water from a river?

The whole flash sideways reality was fascinating until the last 10 minutes of the finale when Jack's dead father revealed that it was nothing more than some kind of unique version of Limbo created by the people themselves.

It was a total copout. Let me say that again: it was a total copout. If I had known that the writers would end the series simply by saying "They all died happily ever after", I would have stopped watching years ago.

Lost was one of the best shows ever. It had one of the WORST finales ever, and it made me and thousands of other fans feel as if we had been cheated.

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007 Shaken. Not stirred. Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: London Casino cash: $13970126 VARSITY	This thread reminds me of this quote. Once you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. funny thing is, it applies to all of our theories in its own way. __________________ My dear girl, there are some things that just aren’t done. Such as, drinking Dom Perignon ’53 above the temperature of 38 degrees Fahrenheit. That’s just as bad as listening to the Beatles without earmuffs.
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007 Shaken. Not stirred. Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: London Casino cash: $13970126 VARSITY	How about this proposed ending. In homage to Bob Newhart and the Newhart Show (1982-1990), Lost ends when we find out everyone other than John Locke is a Virtual Reality Character in a Virtual Reality World from the great underated prematurely cancelled TV Show “Harsh Realm” and John Locke is in fact, General Omar Santiago, who rules this virtual reality world. __________________ My dear girl, there are some things that just aren’t done. Such as, drinking Dom Perignon ’53 above the temperature of 38 degrees Fahrenheit. That’s just as bad as listening to the Beatles without earmuffs.
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06-19-2010, 08:26 AM	#6045
Lex Luthor MVP Join Date: Mar 2010 Casino cash: $10022775	I'm not confused either. All along some people thought the writers were just making up shit as they went along, and other people were convinced that the writers had a master plan in which they would explain the mysteries of the island. Well, we sure found out it which theory was correct. The writers WERE making up shit as they went along. They wound up providing half-assed explanations for a few of the mysteries and no explanations at all for a majority of them. They nodded and winked and smugly said "Well, Lost is really all about redemption. It's all about the characters." They did a fantastic job of creating characters that we all cared about. They get an A+ for that. But in the end they didn't bother to try to tie the loose ends together. They didn't explain anything about so many mysteries that I'm not even going to bother to list them here, other than to ask how the hell Louise Faraday knew so much about the island, who built the wheel that Ben turned to move the island, and why was Jacob so all-knowing and all-powerful when he was actually just a normal man who drank some water from a river? The whole flash sideways reality was fascinating until the last 10 minutes of the finale when Jack's dead father revealed that it was nothing more than some kind of unique version of Limbo created by the people themselves. It was a total copout. Let me say that again: it was a total copout. If I had known that the writers would end the series simply by saying "They all died happily ever after", I would have stopped watching years ago. Lost was one of the best shows ever. It had one of the WORST finales ever, and it made me and thousands of other fans feel as if we had been cheated.
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