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[58kcfan89]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Of course Cena will kill that. He'll get the belt back and miz will go back to the midcard.

Yep. Hope Miz can stick around but I feel like they'll try to turn Alex Riley & feud him with Miz in the near future.

Originally Posted by UCFGoldenKnight

I hope Miz keeps the title.

This needs to happen. Unfortunately, I don't think it will. For whatever reason, WWE seems to think that Cena being in & winning a title match at Mania is a good way to boost ratings.

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

That's because they won't stop booking him in a terrible fashion.

Yeah, this is almost as badly booked as Mysterio's first title reign. Ultimate underdog in EVERY match mixed with Eddie tributes in EVERY match did not make for good TV. Now it's Miz barely getting wins against Jerry Lawler & whatnot.

Originally Posted by Superturtle

Cole flipping his shit was funny as hell, though...

Agreed. One of the best moments of the night, which says something. Some decent wrestling undone with horrible segments & even worse booking. Wrestlemania isn't looking good at all IMO.

[BryanBusby]

Originally Posted by 58kcfan89

Yeah, this is almost as badly booked as Mysterio's first title reign. Ultimate underdog in EVERY match mixed with Eddie tributes in EVERY match did not make for good TV. Now it's Miz barely getting wins against Jerry Lawler & whatnot.

It worked for Mysterio as he was a lightweight going against a bunch of heavy weights. Miz is not that.

Cena/Miz will probably be the Main Event and they like to send every one home happy most of the time. Miz is going to lose his belt. Only chance of them not main eventing would be a huge match involving the Undertaker.

[Sassy Squatch]

Why couldn't it be mis vs morrison and cena vs rock? That would be a pretty hilarious match just to watch rock copy cenas mannerisms.

[WebGem]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

I thought it was one of their better PPVs in a while. Both of the chamber matches were strong, the Miz/Lawer match was good, even the tag match was fine (thank god they got the belt of santino, crist, even if it is 'corre').

That may have been Trish's worst night ever, though. It looked like a lot of the kids in the audience have no idea who she is. They'll have to work on that.

The only thing I wish I'd have seen was another couple of minutes to the raw chamber match, so there could have been a longer punk/cena sequence before the conclusion. If that means they'd have cut out some of the vickie bullshit or part of Trish's return, then so be it...

But it was a solidly and sensibly booked PPV leading into wrestlemania. No big surprises, just generally solid matches.

(I'm ready for Michael Cole to go, though. Jesus, enough already)

The Chamber matches will almost always be good though. That's why I said bad for an EC. I wish they let Lawler win and lose it tomorrow night or at least not let Miz get a clean win. I understand needing to give him credibility, but they could have done something else between now and WM.

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by WebGem

The Chamber matches will almost always be good though. That's why I said bad for an EC. I wish they let Lawler win and lose it tomorrow night or at least not let Miz get a clean win. I understand needing to give him credibility, but they could have done something else between now and WM.

That poor bastard needs all the credibility he can get.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by Superturtle

That poor bastard needs all the credibility he can get.

And wrestlemania is only 6 weeks away. It's not like they have much time.

Not only has Miz been booked as a weak champ who can't win without interference, a guy who's basically a big mouth and nothing else, Cena treated him like a complete joke about a year ago. That perception has to change if they're going to sell this match to anybody. Miz has to be elevated. And that isn't going to happen if he's losing matches to announcers a month and a half before the big game. Daniel Bryan was the start of it.

Giving Lawler the title would have been pointless. It couldn't possibly do the Miz any good, even if he got the title back last night (which would have emphasized just how meaningless titles are, but that's a whole 'nother topic...) and it couldn't possibly do anything to build the Miz/Cena mania match. All the match last night was was an effort to sell some more buys for the EC PPV (because people did want to see Lawler win - which was why it was a 10 minute match, people got worked...) and to help build two mania matches (miz/cena and lawler/cole). Lawler didn't need to win for either of those builds.

The match was booked the right way. I don't think the cheap crowd pop would have been worth it.

Hopefully they don't screw it all up tonight. Miz does not need to look like a brainless puss any more between now and April. I'm sure the end of the feud (assuming it doesn't carry through to summerslam after mania, which it might) is going to be superman John Cena giving the Miz his, but it'll mean a lot more if the Miz doesn't look like a fool beforehand.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Rumors floating that Jericho may be back very soon. Like tomorrow night or Monday.

Originally Posted by Reaper16

Isn't he in the middle of his book tour?

Yeah.

Word now is that he's doing Dancing with the Stars. Which would mean mania's out obviously, and probably anything before SS.

[LTL]

Didn't they used to a better job of promoting the US/IC title? which in turn when they wanted to give a guy a push and put him into the championship spotlight he already had some cred built up. It used to be some of the big names, guys that were already over would wrestle a guy for either of those titles to help before they went to next level.

Now it seems like they are treating both of those titles like the tag team championships. Miz has the chance to be a very good heel if they do this right, which would have to start with a win over Cena at mania.

[Buck]

Do you think that The Rock might Guest Referee the Cena vs Miz match?

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by LTL

Didn't they used to a better job of promoting the US/IC title? which in turn when they wanted to give a guy a push and put him into the championship spotlight he already had some cred built up. It used to be some of the big names, guys that were already over would wrestle a guy for either of those titles to help before they went to next level.

Been a looong time since they meant anything.

Hell the US champ (Daniel Bryan) worked Ted DiBiase in a dark match last night. Wasn't even on the show. I think he should've worked the chamber in R-Truth's spot, but that would've taken focus off of Morrison, as in having somebody else there to take the beating from the big guys.

I don't think they even mentioned that Kofi was the IC champ when Del Rio beat him.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by Buck

Do you think that The Rock might Guest Referee the Cena vs Miz match?

I think it's possible. He's already started laying smack on both of them. Could see him aiding the miz. It's not like there's any way Cena's going heel, and Cena doesn't need Rock's help, unless it's a lame effort to balance out the numbers with Riley ringside.

[WebGem]

Originally Posted by Buck

Do you think that The Rock might Guest Referee the Cena vs Miz match?

It seems very likely. And since it's WM they'll probably do some gay ending w/ Rock and Cena doing the peoples elbow/5 knuckle shuffle to the Miz at the same time and show ends.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by WebGem

It seems very likely. And since it's WM they'll probably do some gay ending w/ Rock and Cena doing the peoples elbow/5 knuckle shuffle to the Miz at the same time and show ends.

Also quite likely.

In my perfect world, they would set up for that, and then Rock would catch Cena mid-shuffle in a Rock Bottom, and then the Miz pins him with a stunned look on his face.

[WebGem]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Also quite likely.

In my perfect world, they would set up for that, and then Rock would catch Cena mid-shuffle in a Rock Bottom, and then the Miz pins him with a stunned look on his face.

Unfortunately there is absolutely no way they will let Miz win that match. If you wanna pitch in and buy the WWE before then we can make it happen though.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by WebGem

Unfortunately there is absolutely no way they will let Miz win that match. If you wanna pitch in and buy the WWE before then we can make it happen though.

Need to see how TV plays out between now and then. Cena's a guy who'd be willing to put somebody over. The question is whether they'll be willing to do it. It's not like they can hurt him with a loss. At some point they have to start elevating some of the younger guys. They can't keep doing all the start-and-stop pushes like they've done with guys like CM Punk and Kofi and now Miz. Which is what it is if he's sent back to the midcard like the rest. In the end guys will only be perceived as stars if they win some big matches.

(he says on the day when undertaker and HHH return)

Maybe they're pushing Del Rio to the moon. It would make sense to establish a major latin star, and he'll eventually be a huge babyface. But I don't think it's enough. They have next to no main event heels right now, and they can't afford to keep making them all lose.