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Old 01-29-2009, 10:09 PM  
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If I was drafting for the Chiefs in '09...

...it would go something like this: (1., 2., etc. are based on an offensive leaning draft, and 1a., 2a., etc. would be my defensive minded draft.)

1. Mark Sanchez, QB; USC
- The Chiefs need a stud at quaterback and have to start drafting one right now. I’m convinced that Thigpen throws marshmallows, makes bad reads, “shows” his receiver reads far too easily and wouldn’t/couldn’t be named the starter on any major D1 team right now. Stafford will be in a Detroit hat by the time the pick, but they need the best QB available and Sanchez is the guy. No more screwing around at this position with has been FA’s or mediocre rookies.

1a. Aaron Curry, LB; WF
- The same thing that could be said about the Chiefs perrenial problems at QB could be said about their LB position. It’s been horrible of late. Johnson is the only decent player we have and he’s been inconsistent at best. They need a monster, a sure thing and Curry seems to be the consensus guy at the LB position in this draft.

2. Phil Loadholt, OT; OU
- Do we really want McIntosh manning the RT spot for another season? Loadholt is a mammoth that played exceptionally well at the LT spot for OU, and would likely translate into a very effective RT in the pros.

2a. Clint Sintim, OLB; UVA
- Tackling machine that has shown he can get to the quarterback (something the Chiefs desperately need). Would be a complete steal if he was here for the Chiefs at the top of the second round.

3. Paul Kruger, DE; Utah
- IMHO, the best defensive end in the draft. Was the best player on a Ute team that dismantled Alabama. Only a redshirt sophomore, and former HS AA at quarterback, Kruger has a massive upside. Motor that won’t quit, incredibly smart, and a knack for being around the ball/play everytime. If memory serves me correctly, he led or was near the top for tackles for a loss in D1 football.

3a. Rhett Bromar, QB; SHS
- Incredibly talented, but has shown a high degree of immaturity and/or bad decision making off the field. As far as quarterbacks go, probably is the best in the draft, but likely to fall because of those off the field issues. Liken him to a Randy Moss – is a team willing to take a chance on him and will that chance pay off? If the Chiefs go defense with their first pick rather than Sanchez, I’d love to see them roll the dice on this kid at the top of the third.

4. Kraig Urbik, OG; UW
- Massive road grader that would be a nice addition to the right side of the line if the Chiefs pick up a quality tackle (such as Loadholt) earlier on in the draft. It would be nice to see the Chiefs have a potent running game and pass protection from the right side of the line – something they haven’t seen since John Tait and Will Shields held down the strong side.

4a. Connor Barwin, DE; Cincy
- One year wonder at DE after switching from the offensive side of the ball for his senior season. Sacks, tackles, interceptions, blocked punts, et al. Weird how a mediocre tight end turns into a demon on defense overnight.

5. Scott McKillop, ILB; Pitt
- Insane amount of tackles and is always around the ball. Will probably be knocked for a lack of athleticism when compared to the top linebackers like Curry, Maualuga and Laurenitis, but you can’t teach instinct, and if memory serves me correctly, guys like Dino Hackett and Mike Maslowski weren’t the most athletic of guys but they got it done on the field. I’d just like a middle linebacker who actually ends up where the ball is after the last several seasons of farcical ineptitude in the middle of the Chiefs defense.

5a. Alex Boone, OT; OSU
- Best tackle available at this point if he’s still on the board. Ask Beanie Wells if he got some holes opened because of Boone.

6. Austin Collie, WR; BYU
- Great hands and good speed (one of those guys who runs even faster when he’s in pads than what he’ll time in a 40 yard dash). Led all D1 receivers in yardage while competing with BYU’s excellent TE Pitta for catches. Knows how to get open and will actually catch the ball once it’s thrown to him. (That would be a refreshing change from a Chief not named Gonzalez or Bowe.)

6a. Bradley Fletcher, CB; Iowa
- Big corner that would be a nice addition in dime and nickel formations.

7. Mortty Ivy, LB; WV
- I watched one West Virginia game this past year and this kid stood out from everyone else on the field. Really instinctive and really smooth in pads. Didn’t “fly” to the ball, but rather “flowed” to it and was in on every play. Seemed like he just played smarter than everyone else on the field.

7a. Chase Daniels, QB; MU
- If Daniels is still on the board in the seventh round, the Chiefs would be idiots if they didn’t grab him (and that hurts like hell being a Reesing fan/KU alum). Probably already better than any other QB on the Chiefs roster, he would make a great backup for years.

First FA signing: Louie Sakoda, K; Utah (I’m sick of inept kickers, and this guy makes everything, pressure or not. Probably won’t get drafted because he’s a bit on the small side, but from 50 yards and in, he’s automatic and totally clutch. Bonus - he’s maybe an even better punter than kicker and can actually throw a good pass on fakes.)
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Old 01-30-2009, 03:02 PM   #61
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However, to say that picking a tackle in the second round is dumb, especially for the Chiefs to do so, is, IMHO, dumb. It's a position of huge need.
The 34th best player in the 2009 NFL Draft will NOT be Phil Loadholdt or any other right tackle.

To think otherwise means that you have no understanding of how the draft should be handled.
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Old 01-30-2009, 03:03 PM   #62
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I don't think Tait nor Roaf was a waste. Two legit studs at the tackles for a 1st and a 3rd? Isn't that what is expected from such picks?

So, what are you advocating? BPA regardless of position of need? You want to end up like the Lions, continually drafting the same player/position because it's the best player available regardless? Talk about a tremendous waste of a pick. And it's dumb to say it's dumb to spend a second round pick on a tackle when one can be had in the later rounds. Every position can be had in the later rounds. Brady, QB - 6th. Brandon Marshall, WR - 4th. Jared Allen, DE - 4th round. Priest Holmes, RB - FA. And we could go on and on and on and on and on, ad nauseum. There are also examples like Jake Long and Joe Thomas, both taken in the first round as, yes, you guessed it, tackles, and they contributed significantly to their teams right from the start.

Chiefs have a lot of needs, and everyone knows it. But the key to any success for any team in the NFL boils down to three basic things -

1. A very good/great quarterback.
2. A solid wall of continuity to protect said quarterback, i.e., a quality offensive line.
3. The ability to generate pressure on the oppositions quarterback and hold the run in check without having to rely on blitzes.

If a team can accomplish these three things, they have a legitimate chance to win every game.

Other positions? Inconsequential. How many Super Bowls has New England won with Randy Moss and Wes Welker, versus the likes of Deon Branch and Troy Brown? Cornerback? They are only successful approximately 30% of the time, and how many Super Bowls has the greatest cornerback of the last ten years, Champ Bailey, been associated with?

So, in looking at it in this light, is how I did my mock. Chiefs greatest needs - Quarterback, Offensive line, Linebacker, Rush Defensive End. Get the best player available at those positions when they pick. I'm sorry that you don't agree with my pick of Loadholt. (That's why I also have the alternative of Clint Sintim there as well.) However, to say that picking a tackle in the second round is dumb, especially for the Chiefs to do so, is, IMHO, dumb. It's a position of huge need.
Right Tackle is WAYYYYYYYYY different than Left Tackle.
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Old 01-30-2009, 03:08 PM   #63
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God I wish people would stop bringing up Tom Brady as a reason to wait until the 6th round to draft a QB. The argument is reeruned.
Duh, you should wait until the 7th round and draft Matt Cassel.
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Old 01-30-2009, 03:12 PM   #64
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Duh, you should wait until the 7th round and draft Matt Cassel.
I could take all of these amateur mock drafts by Chiefsplanet members much more seriously if they didn't include a single Big 12 player or former Big 12 player (ahem, Bomar? ).
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I could take all of these amateur mock drafts by Chiefsplanet members much more seriously if they didn't include a single Big 12 player or former Big 12 player (ahem, Bomar? ).
All we have to do is draft Chase Daniel, Chase Patton, Graham Harrell, Rhett Bomar and Phil Loadholt and we will be teh sUperZ awesomes!1112~1!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 01-30-2009, 03:17 PM   #66
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I could take all of these amateur mock drafts by Chiefsplanet members much more seriously if they didn't include a single Big 12 player or former Big 12 player (ahem, Bomar? ).
Well to be fair, Pioli drafted out of the Big 12 the most during his run with Pats. It was 1 more than the SEC.
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Duh, you should wait until the 7th round and draft Chase Patton.
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Old 01-30-2009, 03:26 PM   #68
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Well to be fair, Pioli drafted out of the Big 12 the most during his run with Pats. It was 1 more than the SEC.
And to be fair, I think we'd all all be stunned if that were the case with the 2009 draft.

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And to be fair, I think we'd all all be stunned if that were the case with the 2009 draft.

True, but I can see them taking a Big 12 player in the draft. Not very high though.
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I could take all of these amateur mock drafts by Chiefsplanet members much more seriously if they didn't include a single Big 12 player or former Big 12 player (ahem, Bomar? ).
Yeah...that would make for a perfect draft. We all know guys like Crabtree, Maclin, Robinson, Pettigrew, Moore, Orakpo, Harrell, Freeman, Hood, Loadholt, Coffman, Iglesias among others should not be drafted and anybody that puts them in their mock draft is an idiot and should be immediately discounted because we all know that you have said that all Big 12 players suck dog nuts and will never be drafted because of said suckiness.

Awesome stuff dude. I am holding my breath waiting to see what you come up with in your no Big 12 players allowed super realistic, what anyone who knows anything about what the NFL draft is supposed to be mock (no, make that the bible by which all NFL directors of player personel, head coaches, scouts, general managers and owners will be using because only people who advocate a Big 12 player ban knows anything at all about the NFL draft) draft.

I was going to predict that you have the Lions selecting Crabtree first, because, of course, he's the best player in the draft, and only reeruns draft on need...

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Ford: "Best player available again Matthew?"
Millen: "We wouldn't have it any other way. Roy Williams it is."

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Millen: "I'm on it chief. There's this stud out of Southern California named Mike Williams. He's our guy."

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Ford: "Matt, if your best player on the board is a wideout, I'm personally going to put your balls in the door frame welder down at the factory."
Millen: "No sir, we got our eye on a linebacker this year!"

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Ford: "mumbles something about warm soup"
Millen: "Here's our card! Let's get that guy from Georgia Tech that SI did a story on! What? The Denver Broncos are on the phone and want to trade up and are willing to give us a 1st, 3rd, 5th and another first for this pick?! Shanahan is crazier and dumber than me! This guy has got to be the best player on the board! Send in that f'ing card!"

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Millen: mutters to himself..."Man, that Brandon Marshall kid looks f'ing good..." takes a quick puff on what looks to be a homemade pipe crafted from stolen plumbing supplies..."...the press will slaughter me...not another wide out...cough...cough...draft for need...remember what the Ford kid said...cement...dock workers..." a series of quick puffs "...fine..."

"You! Yeah, you with the nachos...read this draft report I printed off the internet and tell me who they say is the best offensive tackle left..."

"What?! Otah?! That sounds muslim...whose next? No, not him, the next guy...yeah...Cherilus...thats as midwestern as it gets...f'ers will finally get off my back now...but that Marshall kid sure looks sweet..." puff puff
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Who the F*** is Chase Daniels? I swear I saw a Chase Daniel on MU's roster last year, idk...If I had to pick a Mizzou QB, Ill take Chase Patton.
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I dont understand why people want to take a 3rd overall pick on Sanchez.

Esp after only starting 1 yr in college......at the most difficult postition.

This could very well blow up in our faces more so than the ryan Sims pick did.
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Old 01-30-2009, 04:34 PM   #74
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I dont understand why people want to take a 3rd overall pick on Sanchez.

Esp after only starting 1 yr in college......at the most difficult postition.

This could very well blow up in our faces more so than the ryan Sims pick did.
Apparently, you've never seen him play nor have you watched any game footage.

Furthermore, no one is expecting him to start and lead the Chiefs to 11 wins next season. Philip Rivers sat on the bench for two years, Carson Palmer for one, so and and etc.

If you think that Sanchez is a franchise QB, you grab him. Plain and simple.
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I dont understand why people want to take a 3rd overall pick on Sanchez.

Esp after only starting 1 yr in college......at the most difficult postition.

This could very well blow up in our faces more so than the ryan Sims pick did.
I don't understand why people are so scared to take a QB with the #3 pick? Let's pass on the opportunity to have a franchise QB that could lead this team for the next 10 years.....for the opportunity to waste it on a position that we could easily fill later on in the draft.

And get over this whole "Sanchez doesn't have experience" argument. The guy has been repeatedly talked about as being just as talented....if not more than Stafford. The same people that argue that Sanchez doesn't have experience....are the same ones who want us to ****ing trade for Cassell.
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