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Old 07-02-2013, 02:42 PM  
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Top 10 Offense?
On NFL Live, they had a debate on whether the Chiefs can be a Top 10 offense, and surprisingly they both thought that we would be in the top 10 in offense. Kind of crazy
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Old 07-03-2013, 10:41 PM   #121
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As usual, I have to enter these discussions to inject a modicum of sense into them.

Top 10 offenses last year, and the yards they threw for:

New England - 4827
New Orleans - 5177
Detroit - 4967
Denver - 4659
Washington - 3200
Dallas - 4903
Houston - 4008
Atlanta - 4719
Tampa Bay - 4065
Indianapolis - 4374

So, unless you think Alex Smith is going to run around for 800 yards like Bob Griffin, chances are...we won't have a top 10 offense, because he isn't throwing for over 4,000 yards. Period.
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Old 07-03-2013, 10:44 PM   #122
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I don't think that's necessarily indicative to how accurate Smith is in the short to intermediate zones as he's shown in the past 2 years, but it also shows that McCann wasn't a highly accurate Qb who excelled in Reid's system.

In the end though, it seems to show that Redi does a good job matching his QB to his strengths I guess
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Old 07-03-2013, 10:59 PM   #123
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Smith will definitely have the chances to hit the 4000 yard mark, in an Andy Reid offense that is.

So, I guess if you don't like Alex Smith, thats your best hope, because there will be no "Cassel 2010" in this offense, if Reid runs it the way he always has (which I think he will, as I don't think coaches really "change"). I like the pistol stuff zilla and Sorter have talked about as it seems to fit Smith's strengths pretty well.

So there will probably be no sink or swim for the guy this year. If Reid is going to ask a 3rd round (IIRC) rookie QB chuck it that many times, you better believe his hand picked QB is gonna likely toss it around.
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Old 07-03-2013, 11:03 PM   #124
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I don't think that's necessarily indicative to how accurate Smith is in the short to intermediate zones as he's shown in the past 2 years, but it also shows that McCann wasn't a highly accurate Qb who excelled in Reid's system.

In the end though, it seems to show that Redi does a good job matching his QB to his strengths I guess
It doesn't show how Smith is accurate, but it does show how McNabb is inaccurate?

OK.
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Old 07-03-2013, 11:03 PM   #125
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If we have a top 10 offense, Andy Reid has to be coach of the year.
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It doesn't show how Smith is accurate, but it does show how McNabb is inaccurate?

OK.
I think some of it is skewed in what we saw Smith have his first how ever many years in the league.

If you wanna go on recent trends, we know or the trends show, that he's likely a more accurate Qb than that.


Thats what I was trying to get at, didn't do a very good job of it though.
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Old 07-03-2013, 11:07 PM   #127
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Smith will definitely have the chances to hit the 4000 yard mark, in an Andy Reid offense that is.
We would need to throw the ball 35 times a game, because he doesn't throw the ball down the field.

I just don't see that happening.
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Old 07-03-2013, 11:10 PM   #128
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Speaking of offenses, I thought this would bring up some talk to here goes.

Read on some blog site today about how the RT spot is coming more and more important in todays NFL in that teams are starting to bring more pressure from the arm side in an attempt to

A.) force the Qb to roll away from his strength hand, which is harder to throw with accuracy and velocity and

B.) it allows you to, if you get to the QB, have more access to his arm and keep him from being able to get a throw away ball out of his hand. Teams facing the Steelers like to do it against Ben because he's so big and hard to bring down.

Makes sense.
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Old 07-03-2013, 11:13 PM   #129
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We would need to throw the ball 35 times a game, because he doesn't throw the ball down the field.

I just don't see that happening.
If you look at the averages his QB's have thrown it in the past, I'd say it's a possibility.


I know it's a waste of breath, but if you watched Harbaugh's system at Stanford with Luck, it was pretty similar/nearly identical to the one he ran in SF.

I don't think we will ever confuse Alex Smith with Flacco etc in terms of arm strength, but I think in terms of Reid's system he's ran, he has the ability to excel.
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Old 07-03-2013, 11:21 PM   #130
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I think some of it is skewed in what we saw Smith have his first how ever many years in the league.

If you wanna go on recent trends, we know or the trends show, that he's likely a more accurate Qb than that.


Thats what I was trying to get at, didn't do a very good job of it though.
It depends on what you attribute his recent improvement in accuracy to. It's either his maturation, or Harbaugh's handcuffing of him. I know what I think it is. Either way, ignoring 5 years to focus on 2 doesn't make a ton of sense.
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It depends on what you attribute his recent improvement in accuracy to. It's either his maturation, or Harbaugh's handcuffing of him. I know what I think it is. Either way, ignoring 5 years to focus on 2 doesn't make a ton of sense.
Obviously, you're a Bronco fan. We know what you attribute it too.

While the first 5 years are there and do mean somethings, we'll see if recent trends are more of an indication. I think alot of that is that Smith just got into a system that obviously reigned him in and gave him much more structure. It appeared as though the more games and time under his belt he got, he gained confidence and started opening up more.

But, I don't think we're kidding ourselves into thinking Smith is some transcendent skilled Qb who would excel in any system like a Manning or Brady.

He's probably somewhere in the 8-14 range in the NFL in a big group of guys who have to match up system and skill in order to be successful. I think once you get past Manning, Brees, Brady, and Rodgers, you have a whole group of guys who if you put in a WCO offense would struggle (Flacco) or a Corryell type system would struggle (Alex Smith).

Obviously with what they gave up, Andy Reid thinks Smith matches up with his system pretty well. Depending how they structure it, sure, I'd say he does.

But like I said, lets not kid our selves into thinking he's something he's not.
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It depends on what you attribute his recent improvement in accuracy to. It's either his maturation, or Harbaugh's handcuffing of him. I know what I think it is. Either way, ignoring 5 years to focus on 2 doesn't make a ton of sense.
I also don't think that in terms of accuracy, you can improve that much. It's a biomechanics thing.

DJ has a great analogy for it. If you're a B-, you can improve your timing, footwork, etc and get to a B, maybe a B+, but you're never going to be an A, unless you go full overhaul, and even then, meh, thats tough.


So I don't think he really changed his accuracy per se, but just the structure around him, something he will also have here.
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He's probably somewhere in the 8-14 range in the NFL
Why do people keep saying this?

He's below average in terms of yards per completion, yards per game, TD passes, third down conversions...all the most important parts of being a QB.

The guy is in no way in the top half of the league.
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What was the Alex Smith stats projected over a full 16 games in 2012? I saw it somewhere. Was actually a glimmer of hope.

Edit: Meant Alex Smith stats had he played in Philly offense in 2012 with the 615 attempts.
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The whole reason Alex had any success at all with the 49ers was because they hid him behind a dominant OL, running game and defense.

Exposing him by asking him to throw 35 times a game should work!
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