2009 Broncos = the 2003 Chiefs

[Shaid]

Think about it, crazy last second plays or multiple kick returns to pull out an improbable victory. That's just how we won early on in 2003 until the end of the year rolled around and the meltdown started. I'm still waiting for it. I'm not sold on the Broncos yet.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Maybe that let's them get another stellar draft like last year when they had two first rounders and three 2nd round picks and got:

1st Rounders:
RB Knowshon Moreno
- So far so good but so has most Donco RB's over the past 15 years regardless of their talent level. One TD and a long run of 17 yards in six games...meh.

LB Robert Ayers
- Seven tackles. Six games. Stunning.

2nd Rounders:
CB Alphonso Smith
- So worth it to trade away a future first rounder for this guys draft rights so he can be your third string punt and kickoff return guy.

CB/S Darcel McBath
- Who? Two tackles per game? Yikes.

TE Richard Quinn
- A second round pick? Really? For your third string TE that hasn't seen action in a single game? Sexy.

The thing is you appear to be one that expects the rookies to step in immediately and produce. So far, they haven't been asked to do that... Denver had a nice core of veterans and they made (what appears to be for now) some nice veteran FA signings. The rookies are getting playing time, but they're not starting every game .... aside from Moreno recently.

[Agent V]

Seriously, how long can some of us here sit around calling Denver a fluke while they roll through the Cowboys, Patriots and Chargers? Denver is for real. I was wrong this offseason. A lot of people were. It's no ideal situation for Chiefs fans, but it's reality.

[LaChapelle]

I would have some concerns about the cancer Marshall would become if a losing streak sets in. Kicking balls on the field while winning don't shed a positive light. But that could be nit picking.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by LaChapelle

I would have some concerns about the cancer Marshall would become if a losing streak sets in. Kicking balls on the field while winning don't shed a positive light. But that could be nit picking.

Yeah, the thing with Marshall is... watch during plays (especially right after) at how many times you see Stokely near him. There were several times on MNF when I noticed Stokely going up to Marshall and "pushing him or drawing him" away from a potential incident. It's much like last year when Brandon scored, and he was going to pull something from his sock (can't recall the incident well, but you know what I mean). It's almost as if Stokely has an extra job of shadowing Marshall just to make sure he doesn't do something dumb.

Kicking the ball ... geez, what a dumbass... I get that he's very emotional, but contain it dude.

[jaa1025]

Originally Posted by Shaid

Think about it, crazy last second plays or multiple kick returns to pull out an improbable victory. That's just how we won early on in 2003 until the end of the year rolled around and the meltdown started. I'm still waiting for it. I'm not sold on the Broncos yet.

The only things comparable is return game and record. Their offense is no where near as good as the Chiefs we're but their defense is light years ahead of our defense. Bad comparison.

[milkman]

The Donkeys got a couple big plays late, one the fluky TD in the Bengal game, but they've won, and that has helped them to build confidence and mometum.

Their offense is efficient and productive, and their defense is making outstanding halftime adjustments.

The comparison to the '03 Chiefs is ridiculous.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

It is pathetic when we have to sell short the accomplishments of other teams just to somehow feel better about our teams failure.

The Broncos may not be Super Bowl contenders. The Broncos may not win a playoff game, but they should still be given respect for what they have done.

Look, I don't mind them being successful. Honestly, I don't think they will win the Super Bowl, and I think Orton will hold them back. Them having success this year is a good thing. It will keep them from making significant changes at QB and will keep them drafting fairly low. Dawkins is 35, and Bailey has had injury problems. I can see how this 'could' implode after this year.

But, even as I look to the future of how this 'may' be beneficial, I have to give them credit for their success. Lucky a little? Sure. If nothing else, the fact that they have stayed healthy. But the good teams usually are a little lucky. And, amazingly, the more they win, the more 'lucky' they get.

Why? They don't stop believing they will win until the final seconds tick off the clock.

[DumbHillbillies]

Originally Posted by jaa1025

The only things comparable is return game and record. Their offense is no where near as good as the Chiefs we're but their defense is light years ahead of our defense. Bad comparison.

This. Their defense is for real and ours sucked.

[Reaper16]

The Broncos defense is key to the whole turnaround. We all expected their defense to be putrid until they could find the players they needed for the 3-4; we expected their defense to give up a bunch of points, forcing games into a shootout, putting a lot of pressure on Orton to go out and sling the ball around like he's some kind of superstar playmaker and inevitably fail.

But no, the defense is miraculously good and Kyle can simply make the smart play, take what he can get or throw it away, until he finds Marshall or Royal open for the big play. Orton is allowed by his defense to play within himself -- and he's very efficient at doing that.

[Mile High Mania]

I'm just curious and I'm asking this while fully admitting that the idea of Orton having to go "toe to toe" with Peyton Manning or Drew Brees gives me nervous thoughts... not because I think Orton is anything like Plummer, but I just haven't seen him have to really do that at this level.

So, what do you guys have to see from Orton before you say "You know, he's not really that bad... he's not Peyton, but he's more than a game manager."

I think continued consistency over the next stretch of tough games is what I need to see to make me a 100% believer... I'm nearly there, but I do have my concerns. I still think the offense is maturing and growing together and I think it's safe to say that offensively, they haven't reached their potential. I don't view them as a Saints' or Colts' West team in the making... but, I do hope to see more explosiveness early in some of these games during the next month.

It's great to lock things down like they have defensively in the second half, but ... on the road at Baltimore, Indy and at home vs the Steelers and Giants... if push comes to shove, can the offense consistently kick it up a notch. I don't know - I think they can and would guess that this is the feeling of most around here.

[Chief Faithful]

I see them more like the 2008 Titans.

[Quesadilla Joe]

Originally Posted by Chief Faithful

I see them more like the 2008 Titans.

The 2008 Titans didn't have the best WR core in the league, the best OL in the league, a great RB core, and the best TE core in the league.... Plus Orton >>>>>>>>>>> Collins

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Chief Faithful

I see them more like the 2008 Titans.

I don't see it.

They have more talent offensively at WR, and Kerry Collins is a game manager type who thinks he's more, so he is prone ot mistakes.

Orton doesn't seem to have any illusions about himself, so he plays within his limitations.

[Demonpenz]

did the 03 chiefs have two hall of fame players on D?

[notorious]

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

The 2008 Titans didn't have the best WR core in the league, the best OL in the league, a great RB core, and the best TE core in the league.... Plus Orton >>>>>>>>>>> Collins

While I don't agree with the Titan's comparison, I wouldn't put Orton that much better then Collins yet.


Collins has won some big games and been a part of some good teams.

Given time Orton could be much better then Collins, but not yet. Orton is on absolute fire right now. Only time will tell if this is just a hot streak, or if Orton is going to be like this long term.


As a Chiefs fan, I hope it is just a streak, though.