NFL Draft Stafford vs Bradford - Page 4

irishjayhawk · 09-30-2008, 08:17 PM

I see the board pretty much split on the two right now.

What's your argument for who you would pick, assuming both come out and we have the choice?

RustShack · 09-30-2008, 09:51 PM

Is it just me or do great QB's typically come from smaller colleges that aren't one of the "top" schools and also don't run the spread offense?

evolve27 · 09-30-2008, 09:56 PM

Bradford has better decision making tahn Stafford and hasn't lost yet this year.

**DeezNutz** · 09-30-2008, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

Is it just me or do great QB's typically come from smaller colleges that aren't one of the "top" schools and also don't run the spread offense?

I guess it depends on your interpretation of "top" schools.

RustShack · 09-30-2008, 09:58 PM

What if Stafford improves his decision making over the year? I personally am in favor of drafting Stafford in the 1st and letting him sit out a year to learn more about decision making and yada yada... plus it would add another year to build the team up around him.

RustShack · 09-30-2008, 09:59 PM

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Yes, it's just you.

Give me some names from this long long list then. I said top team, so these QB's should be on top 5, hell even top 10 during thier time there.

**DeezNutz** · 09-30-2008, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I guess it depends on your interpretation of "top" schools.

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Originally Posted by RustShack

Give me some names from this long long list then. I said top team, so these QB's should be on top 5, hell even top 10 during thier time there.

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ChiefsCountry · 09-30-2008, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

What if Stafford improves his decision making over the year?

Then he is freaking John Elway and you take him in a heartbeat.

RustShack · 09-30-2008, 10:02 PM

Well before you said its just you, I'm glad you changed your post.

RustShack · 09-30-2008, 10:03 PM

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Then he is freaking John Elway and you take him in a heartbeat.

I think drafting him and sitting him for a year will help his desision making out a lot, and also gives us another year to build the team up around him. That COULD be the makings of a great team for years to come.

SBK · 09-30-2008, 10:03 PM

I'm going to go with Mecca on this, Bradford is preferred because he's been seen more since he's in the Big 12.

Coach · 09-30-2008, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Well in fairness here Georgia's schedule is 100 times what Kstates is, and Georgia has some god awful WR's or had I should say now they have 1 guy.

And K-State doesn't have a running game, and their coaching staff are a bunch of idiots who doesn't have a clue as to how to maximize Freeman's talents.

Pablo · 09-30-2008, 10:23 PM

I haven't read through the thread, so I'm sure most of this has been stated but:

Stafford.

1) He's the perfect prototype(size, weight, build) 2) He has the stronger arm of the two 3) He can make ANY throw on the field. He can throw into tight windows and put the ball in a shoebox when he needs to. 4) He's done a very good job with a shitty supporting cast. Knowshon and AJ Green aside, Georgia's offensive surrounding cast is shit. The line is bad, the WR play is pathetic, and Stafford makes throws behind a bad line, much like he'd have to in KC. Sort of like Ryan did last year.

Things I don't like about Stafford, that I do with Bradford.

Bradford makes less mistakes and is less of a gunslinger. Stafford trusts his arm a bit too much at times. Bradford has great mechanics and footwork. He won't need a whole lot of coaching to be a good QB in this league. Stafford has a bit of a sidearm release at times, and he gets happy feet every now and then.

That being said, I think Bradford has a servicable arm and will make somebody a good QB in the NFL...he doesn't have to make as many NFL throws as Stafford. Stafford has the armstrength and mobility to go across his body on the run 20 yards downfield on the money. I don't see that in Bradford. Not to fault Bradford for having a great surrounding cast, but he's really got it pretty easy back there behind that OU line.

I wouldn't be upset with either. I'd love to see either one of these guys in a Chiefs uniform. Love it. At this point, barring a total meltdown by Stafford this season, I've seen enough to really love him as a pro QB prospect. As much as I hate Jay Cutler, he's gonna be a stud QB in this league for a long time, and Stafford could be Cutler all over again. Just like on Sunday when Cutler trusted his arm a bit too much, and threw into small windows and made mistakes...Stafford will do that. But he'll also make quite a few WTF throws that you can't believe either.

**notorious** · 09-30-2008, 10:33 PM

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And K-State doesn't have a running game, and their coaching staff are a bunch of idiots who doesn't have a clue as to how to maximize Freeman's talents.

I agree.

I do not want either Bradford or Stafford in red if our current coaching staff is still in place. If they draft a QB with this staff to bring him along, it would be an immediate end to all hope for the poor guy's career.

If you are going to spend millions upon millions on a QBOTF, why not throw a LOT of money at the very best QB coach and O-Coordinator on the PLANET (not Chiefsplanet LOL). There is no salary cap for coaches, so why do we contine to have these jokes on the sideline?

Chiefnj2 · 09-30-2008, 10:39 PM

Bradford after another year in college.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 09-30-2008, 10:39 PM

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People are taking this shit way too personally. It's almost like they are defending their own family members from personal attack.

Like I've said earlier, people almost become pot committed to their arguments, and they'll make asinine assumptions and conclusions in order to back them up.

The fact of the matter is that if you are looking at raw physical ability, Matt Stafford has more than Sam Bradford. No one knows if he has the intangibles because they are intangible, they aren't measurable. You haven't been in the huddle with either of them, and you haven't interviewed them.

Bradford may end up being a Tom Brady-like pro. However, he's surrounded by a ton of talent, with three legit NFL lineman blocking for him, including two late first-early second rounders this year.

People forget that Roethlisberger, Matt Ryan, Cutler, Rivers, and Carson Palmer (for his first 2 years) did not have a lot of talent around them. None of them put up all world stats, but they had the raw physical ability, and aside from Rivers, all of them had at least serviceable mechanics (I'm looking at you, Tim Tebow).

If you are that worried about decision making, why did Roethlisberger throw almost 35 picks against MAC competition in college? Stafford doesn't continually lob the ball into double and triple coverage.

Just because a QB has a strong arm doesn't mean he's a gunslinger. It means he has a strong arm. That's about as intelligent as saying Black QB=running threat who should be a WR.

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09-30-2008, 08:17 PM
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09-30-2008, 10:23 PM	#57
Pablo Ultrabanned Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: KCMO Casino cash: $1919356	I haven't read through the thread, so I'm sure most of this has been stated but: Stafford. 1) He's the perfect prototype(size, weight, build) 2) He has the stronger arm of the two 3) He can make ANY throw on the field. He can throw into tight windows and put the ball in a shoebox when he needs to. 4) He's done a very good job with a shitty supporting cast. Knowshon and AJ Green aside, Georgia's offensive surrounding cast is shit. The line is bad, the WR play is pathetic, and Stafford makes throws behind a bad line, much like he'd have to in KC. Sort of like Ryan did last year. Things I don't like about Stafford, that I do with Bradford. Bradford makes less mistakes and is less of a gunslinger. Stafford trusts his arm a bit too much at times. Bradford has great mechanics and footwork. He won't need a whole lot of coaching to be a good QB in this league. Stafford has a bit of a sidearm release at times, and he gets happy feet every now and then. That being said, I think Bradford has a servicable arm and will make somebody a good QB in the NFL...he doesn't have to make as many NFL throws as Stafford. Stafford has the armstrength and mobility to go across his body on the run 20 yards downfield on the money. I don't see that in Bradford. Not to fault Bradford for having a great surrounding cast, but he's really got it pretty easy back there behind that OU line. I wouldn't be upset with either. I'd love to see either one of these guys in a Chiefs uniform. Love it. At this point, barring a total meltdown by Stafford this season, I've seen enough to really love him as a pro QB prospect. As much as I hate Jay Cutler, he's gonna be a stud QB in this league for a long time, and Stafford could be Cutler all over again. Just like on Sunday when Cutler trusted his arm a bit too much, and threw into small windows and made mistakes...Stafford will do that. But he'll also make quite a few WTF throws that you can't believe either.
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