Chiefs Derrick Johnson gets extension - Page 6

txhawk · 11-08-2010, 11:21 AM

Chiefs agreed to terms with ILB Derrick Johnson on a five year, $34 million contract extension, according to FOXSports.com. The deal includes $15 million guaranteed.

**BigRedChief** · 11-08-2010, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

there is one part of the "secret email club" that surely figured into this whole deal, but I will respect the wishes of the person that gave the info and not go into why I said that.

Other than that one thing though, those emails were TOTALLY off on almost every bit of info offered IMO.

wellll were those emails right more than WI, correct? Did you get your moneys worth in those emails? You get a refund of your money for your dissatifaction?

Those emails were defintely right more often than the frigging KC star. They haven't broke a story since the Al Gore invented the internet.

Bitching about something thats free.

**BigRedChief** · 11-08-2010, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Iowanian

Can we go ahead and count this as a whiff by *the source*?

nada chance. And wheres the $109.99?

**BossChief** · 11-08-2010, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Champ

This guy was basically about to be traded for peanuts last year. Todd Haybilly refused to start him all of last year. And now that he's having a little success under a new DC, you give him a 34 million dollar deal? Terrible GM'ing by Scott Pioli aka Peppermint Larry.

If Pioli is giving out huge dough like this to average players like Derrick Johnson, I cant wait to see how much he overspends on guys like Jamaal Charles, Tamba Hali and Brandon Flowers.

Pioli placed a first round tender on DJ last year, you fool.

They NEVER intended on trading him...AT ALL, let alone for peanuts. If that was the case, they would have put a second round tender on him and let the bidding begin.

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

wellll were those emails right more than WI, correct? Did you get your moneys worth in those emails? You get a refund of your money for your dissatifaction?

Those emails were defintely right more often than the frigging KC star. They haven't broke a story since the Al Gore invented the internet.

Bitching about something thats free.

I haven't read anything from WI that wasn't posted here by GC, so I don't really know.

I didn't mean any offense man, you were just passing on information given to you by media sources, so it wasn't really a stab at ya.

Why so defensive?

TBH, I got my hopes up for drafting a quarterback out of those emails...especially in the second round...it went from 'if HE falls, we will trade both seconds to select him' to Dexter McCluster.

Pablo · 11-08-2010, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

TBH, I got my hopes up for drafting a quarterback out of those emails...especially in the second round...

Hey, stop spilling your guts about the secret e-mails.

**BossChief** · 11-08-2010, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by PostRockPablo

Hey, stop spilling your guts about the secret e-mails.

that part wasn't secretive...it was already posted in the forum with the OK a few months back.

Marcellus · 11-08-2010, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

I haven't read anything from WI that wasn't posted here by GC, so I don't really know.

I didn't mean any offense man, you were just passing on information given to you by media sources, so it wasn't really a stab at ya.

Why so defensive?

TBH, I got my hopes up for drafting a quarterback out of those emails...especially in the second round...it went from 'if HE falls, we will trade both seconds to select him' to Dexter McCluster.

What were your thought on DJ before this season? I know I was highly disappointed.

bowener · 11-08-2010, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Champ

Dont get mad at me because Im right.

****. I finally found your picture, man.

At least now we have a face to put with all your brilliant and poignant statements.

**Iowanian** · 11-08-2010, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

nada chance. And wheres the $109.99?

"no chance DJ is a Chief next season"

That's a big whiff.

**BossChief** · 11-08-2010, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

What were your thought on DJ before this season? I know I was highly disappointed.

That he has never been properly motivated or coached till last year.

I think that benching him last year was the absolute right move and that the positional coaching he has received the last year and a half has made a difference.

I felt that since the day he got here he has been misused, but ALWAYS had the talent to be a defensive MVP quality player.

He was a big play linebacker in college, but not a physical defender. He was the guy that could take the ball away by stripping it (9 forced fumbles his last year at Texas) or by jumping routes and he has the speed and talent to cover the better tight ends, running backs or slot receivers even. Something that I don't think has been pointed out is that Texas actually ran some 3-4 during his time there and he took to the scheme like a duck to water and that's where he made a great deal of his plays. He is the "prototype" of the role he is playing right now. that's why these guys have paid him the way they did.

His knock (coming out of Texas) was that he wouldn't take on blockers and shed them the way you have to in the NFL to be anything more than a coverage linebacker. He chose to use his speed and athleticism to go around them to make the play. This trend continued into his NFL career.

Once he got into the NFL, he was immediately GIVEN the starters role, we even traded away Fujita (who I played HS FB with) to open up that starters spot once he was drafted because they played the same spot. He was supposed to be the guy that turned the defense around... almost single handedly.

Teams learned that all they had to do against us was run right at him and they would have career rushing days and it would totally open up the passing game, at which we were outmatched against every opponent. the "career day defense" (the term I coined here and the Coalition) continued

We went from Greg Robinson to Gunther to Clancy and nobody knew how to utilize his talents or how to motivate the kid. He was obviously just going through the motions game after game. 4 years passed without him being put into position to succeed IMO.

Then came Haley.

He basically came in and saw what I saw...that he was NOTHING more than a coverage linebacker at that point. He had a lot of work to do if he was to be on the field on first and second down...anything more than nickle packages where his coverage talents could be best utilized.

At this time we also added a much better positional coach than he ever had, in Gary Gibbs, who has been a "tree" LB coach for some time now and could work with DJ to improve his deficiencies and improve his strengths. Anything is better than Gunther being your positional coach AND DC at the same time.

Seriously, I opened a Twitter account at that point and started sending him tweet after tweet about "being gap responsible" "taking on and shedding blockers" :stop going for the kill shot and wrap up" if he wanted to earn his starting spot back because he said over and over that he didn't understand why he was benched.

By years end, he seemed to "get it" (around game 13 or so) and began to start football games again and was staying home instead of "chasing the cheese" more often and began making more plays than he ever had before. Capping it all off with his great game to end the season against Denver with 2 pick-6s and a bunch of tackles, half of them for loss.

I continued to pound his twitter all offseason about the same things and even though I doubt he even read them, they were there and they were spot on.

The difference between the DJ of years past and this year (and the last few games of last) is that he is staying in his gap and being a responsible defender and when the play is there to be made without giving up his responsibility, he is making it without hesitation.

he is taking on and shedding blocks
he is staying home
he is reading plays and reacting without too many false steps, this more than anything shows how much work he is putting into film study and preparedness.
he is wrapping up ball carriers and playing under control (this is something he is still struggling with at times IMO)
he seems to know his role in this defense and is playing within the confides of it

this has been my take the whole time...just ask GoChiefs

Sorry for the "War and Peace" length of the post, but I wanted to offer up as much detail as possible.

Marcellus · 11-08-2010, 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief

That he has never been properly motivated or coached till last year.

I think that benching him last year was the absolute right move and that the positional coaching he has received the last year and a half has made a difference.

I felt that since the day he got here he has been misused, but ALWAYS had the talent to be a defensive MVP quality player.

He was a big play linebacker in college, but not a physical defender. He was the guy that could take the ball away by stripping it (9 forced fumbles his last year at Texas) or by jumping routes and he has the speed and talent to cover the better tight ends, running backs or slot receivers even. Something that I don't think has been pointed out is that Texas actually ran some 3-4 during his time there and he took to the scheme like a duck to water and that's where he made a great deal of his plays. He is the "prototype" of the role he is playing right now. that's why these guys have paid him the way they did.

His knock (coming out of Texas) was that he wouldn't take on blockers and shed them the way you have to in the NFL to be anything more than a coverage linebacker. He chose to use his speed and athleticism to go around them to make the play. This trend continued into his NFL career.

Once he got into the NFL, he was immediately GIVEN the starters role, we even traded away Fujita (who I played HS FB with) to open up that starters spot once he was drafted because they played the same spot. He was supposed to be the guy that turned the defense around... almost single handedly.

Teams learned that all they had to do against us was run right at him and they would have career rushing days and it would totally open up the passing game, at which we were outmatched against every opponent. the "career day defense" (the term I coined here and the Coalition) continued

We went from Greg Robinson to Gunther to Clancy and nobody knew how to utilize his talents or how to motivate the kid. He was obviously just going through the motions game after game. 4 years passed without him being put into position to succeed IMO.

Then came Haley.

He basically came in and saw what I saw...that he was NOTHING more than a coverage linebacker at that point. He had a lot of work to do if he was to be on the field on first and second down...anything more than nickle packages where his coverage talents could be best utilized.

At this time we also added a much better positional coach than he ever had, in Gary Gibbs, who has been a "tree" LB coach for some time now and could work with DJ to improve his deficiencies and improve his strengths. Anything is better than Gunther being your positional coach AND DC at the same time.

Seriously, I opened a Twitter account at that point and started sending him tweet after tweet about "being gap responsible" "taking on and shedding blockers" :stop going for the kill shot and wrap up" if he wanted to earn his starting spot back because he said over and over that he didn't understand why he was benched.

By years end, he seemed to "get it" (around game 13 or so) and began to start football games again and was staying home instead of "chasing the cheese" more often and began making more plays than he ever had before. Capping it all off with his great game to end the season against Denver with 2 pick-6s and a bunch of tackles, half of them for loss.

I continued to pound his twitter all offseason about the same things and even though I doubt he even read them, they were there and they were spot on.

The difference between the DJ of years past and this year (and the last few games of last) is that he is staying in his gap and being a responsible defender and when the play is there to be made without giving up his responsibility, he is making it without hesitation.

he is taking on and shedding blocks
he is staying home
he is reading plays and reacting without too many false steps, this more than anything shows how much work he is putting into film study and preparedness.
he is wrapping up ball carriers and playing under control (this is something he is still struggling with at times IMO)
he seems to know his role in this defense and is playing within the confides of it

this has been my take the whole time...just ask GoChiefs

Sorry for the "War and Peace" length of the post, but I wanted to offer up as much detail as possible.

Talk about a detailed response.

I wondered about his passion and wondered if all the knocks on him coming out were true.

It seems obvious he needs some tough love coaching.

Prime example of Edwards being able to draft players but can't coach worth a shit.

**BossChief** · 11-08-2010, 10:51 PM

DJ was drafted while Vermeil was the coach.

The cool thing about DJ is that he isnt even close to his ceiling.

He WILL continue to get better in this defense as we continue to learn his strengths and how to utilize him in more and more ways. I excpet them to set him loose on more and more blitzes toward the end of the year, similar to last year.

In his best season, he could realistically achieve something like

120 tackles
7 or 8 forced fumbles
5 or 6 interceptions...half for returns
5 or 6 sacks

He may never get to see that type of production, but I may be the only one here that wouldn't be totally astounded if he did.

Marcellus · 11-08-2010, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

DJ was drafted while Vermeil was the coach.

Oh yea, we all thought the defense was fixed, then we thought DJ would finally get good coaching when Herm was hired.

Same concept, Herm was a shitty coach.

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BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $1874088	DJ was drafted while Vermeil was the coach. The cool thing about DJ is that he isnt even close to his ceiling. He WILL continue to get better in this defense as we continue to learn his strengths and how to utilize him in more and more ways. I excpet them to set him loose on more and more blitzes toward the end of the year, similar to last year. In his best season, he could realistically achieve something like 120 tackles 7 or 8 forced fumbles 5 or 6 interceptions...half for returns 5 or 6 sacks He may never get to see that type of production, but I may be the only one here that wouldn't be totally astounded if he did. __________________ Dreams do come true... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1407 Last edited by BossChief; 11-08-2010 at 10:56 PM..
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