Grade the 2006 Draft - Page 2

jspchief · 04-30-2006, 04:03 PM

OK girls. Now's your chance to put your money where your mouth is and grade this draft. Yea, yea, I know. Can't grade a draft for another 3-4 years. We obviously don't know what any of these players can do, so we're talking about pure speculation.

Based on your expectations of what these guys can do for the Chiefs, where does this draft grade out?

tk13 · 04-30-2006, 04:48 PM

I'm pleased. I don't know the right word for it.. I don't wanna say it was a "vanilla" draft, but it was kinda. Nothing overly flashy but nothing that makes you want to scream and throw an axe through Carl's head. I'd probably give it a B to B+.

I like where we went with it though. We went with guys who can hit as opposed to project athletes who can't.

I'm not surprised we drafted so many possible safeties, that's a big Herm thing. He's obviously trying to put a physical stamp on this team right away, he's not afraid to draft safeties in the late rounds and throw them in the fire. Any DB not named Surtain on this roster is not safe. I think all three DB's we drafted could make the team... I can see Herm doing that. We've got cap room to whack people. I could see him putting three completely different DB's out there with Surtain. I think this is going to be a very different defense.

NaptownChief · 04-30-2006, 05:18 PM

I gave it a B plus...Pretty pleased with it all...Only pick I didn't like is Pollard in the 2nd...I think he was late 2nd to late 3rd round talent but his possible character/personality issues made him more of a 4th round pick that we reached on. Derrek Hagan at that pick would have me rating this draft in the A category. The Jeff Webb pick late has a chance to make missing on Hagan feel much better however. Maxey seems like a good roll of the dice. Page seems like a decent talent for the 7th round but due to the Pollard pick and all the other current safeties on the roster would make it unlikely for him to make the final roster. Dee Webb the CB from Florida who fell much farther than expected would have been my pick at that point assuming there isn't a major issue that we don't know about off the field that caused him to fall.

Over all quite pleased and I think Hali on the opposite side of Allen could make watching this defense fun again.

Demonpenz · 04-30-2006, 05:23 PM

the chiefs need some extra credit in the worst way.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-30-2006, 05:29 PM

I'm rather surprised/pleased. I'll give a B.

As my sig attests, the Hali, Croyle and Webb picks were excellent IMO.

While Pollard may have been a reach according to the "experts", I have a gut feeling he'll impress.

Really the only picks I feel were "wasted"......not picking Rod Wright in the 6th, and the pick of Page in the 7th....he'll never make the roster.

All in all, I thought CP adressed some glaring needs, and STOLE Croyle and Webb.

**Iowanian** · 04-30-2006, 06:08 PM

my initial thought is a B. Good value picks, at positions of need. I think Hali is a good choice to immediately improve the pass rush.

I also think Banyon is going to look like an ID-10-T in a couple of years and look forward to bringing this thread back up.

**banyon** · 04-30-2006, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Iowanian

my initial thought is a B. Good value picks, at positions of need. I think Hali is a good choice to immediately improve the pass rush.

I also think Banyon is going to look like an ID-10-T in a couple of years and look forward to bringing this thread back up.

That would mean we'd have a solid pass rush and strong hitting safety.

I'm willing to take that one for the team.

penchief · 04-30-2006, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

I'm pleased. I don't know the right word for it.. I don't wanna say it was a "vanilla" draft, but it was kinda. Nothing overly flashy but nothing that makes you want to scream and throw an axe through Carl's head. I'd probably give it a B to B+.

I like where we went with it though. We went with guys who can hit as opposed to project athletes who can't.

I'm not surprised we drafted so many possible safeties, that's a big Herm thing. He's obviously trying to put a physical stamp on this team right away, he's not afraid to draft safeties in the late rounds and throw them in the fire. Any DB not named Surtain on this roster is not safe. I think all three DB's we drafted could make the team... I can see Herm doing that. We've got cap room to whack people. I could see him putting three completely different DB's out there with Surtain. I think this is going to be a very different defense.

Don't forget, there may still be some real talent lurking in our two or three previous drafts. Some of those kids (Parker, Sampson, Black, Thorpe, Hodge, Griffin, Fox, Grigsby, Wilkinson, Battle, Wilson, etc.) might be good players who can contribute to a winning team if given a real opportunity. For Edwards, tapping into the untapped potential of Vermeil Era draftees is a viable option in the quest to upgrade this team.

In a way, it might be like having twenty rookies if Edwards can promote the development of players from the past couple drafts instead of giving young players the LJ treatment (ala, Vermeil).

tk13 · 04-30-2006, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by penchief

Don't forget, there may still be some real talent lurking in our two or three previous drafts. Some of those kids (Parker, Sampson, Black, Thorpe, Hodge, Griffin, Fox, Grigsby, Wilkinson, Battle, Wilson, etc.) might be good players who can contribute to a winning team if given a real opportunity. For Edwards, tapping into the untapped potential of Vermeil Era draftees is a viable option in the quest to upgrade this team.

In a way, it might be like having twenty rookies if Edwards can promote the development of players from the past couple drafts instead of giving young players the LJ treatment (ala, Vermeil).

I don't disagree with that at all. DV didn't leave us in a mess or anything like that. Herm has stuff to work with, I didn't mean to imply he's going to pick his guys over DV's guys, just he added some more bodies to the mix, and nobody should feel safe. I expect someone like Battle or Hodge will put up a good fight for that 2nd CB spot. I do think last year's safeties aren't locks for starting spots. I like Knight though, he's a smart player.

jiveturkey · 04-30-2006, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

I don't disagree with that at all. DV didn't leave us in a mess or anything like that. Herm has stuff to work with. I expect someone like Battle or Hodge will put up a good fight for that 2nd CB spot.

I heard on the radio this afternoon that the coaching staff really likes Hodge and they didn't think that he got a fair shake last year.

He'll get a long look this time around.

**the Talking Can** · 04-30-2006, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by penchief

Don't forget, there may still be some real talent lurking in our two or three previous drafts. Some of those kids (Parker, Sampson, Black, Thorpe, Hodge, Griffin, Fox, Grigsby, Wilkinson, Battle, Wilson, etc.) might be good players who can contribute to a winning team if given a real opportunity. For Edwards, tapping into the untapped potential of Vermeil Era draftees is a viable option in the quest to upgrade this team.

In a way, it might be like having twenty rookies if Edwards can promote the development of players from the past couple drafts instead of giving young players the LJ treatment (ala, Vermeil).

excellent point...we have alot of players to find out about...Parker and Fox, for example, could very well break out next year...I'm ready for camp!

jiveturkey · 04-30-2006, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

excellent point...we have alot of players to find out about...Parker and Fox, for example, could very well break out next year...I'm ready for camp!

I know that I've mentioned the radio a couple of times already but Fox was aparently the best LB at camp last year and big things are expected out of him this year. The knee injury wasn't even that serious and IR was a knee jerk reaction (get it).

I'm guessing that he'll be a starter and with that we'll have a lot of speed at LB'er.

Chiefnj · 04-30-2006, 06:32 PM

I gave it a C.

I love the Hali pick, and like the Maxey pick. Other than those two I'm not overy impressed with the other choices. Very vanilla draft. We'll see in 3 years.

ChiefsCountry · 04-30-2006, 06:33 PM

Actually ProFootball Weekly had Pollard rated as a second round pick.

**the Talking Can** · 04-30-2006, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jiveturkey

I know that I've mentioned the radio a couple of times already but Fox was aparently the best LB at camp last year and big things are expected out of him this year. The knee injury wasn't even that serious and IR was a knee jerk reaction (get it).

I'm guessing that he'll be a starter and with that we'll have a lot of speed at LB'er.

were you listening to 610 about 30 minutes ago?

guys from WPI [insert joke here] were talking Fox..claimed he was best LB in Camp and one guy said "I stake my reputation on Fox, he will be a playmaker...he will replace what we lost with Donnie Edwards"

now, I don't know these guys, and I doubt they even have reputations to stake....but still, the conviction was good to hear, they had no doubts about Fox....

I've never seen it from him, but hopefully they're right.

Hammock Parties · 04-30-2006, 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

were you listening to 610 about 30 minutes ago?

guys from WPI [insert joke here] were talking Fox..claimed he was best LB in Camp and one guy said "I stake my reputation on Fox, he will be a playmaker...he will replace what we lost with Donnie Edwards"

now, I don't know these guys, and I doubt they even have reputations to stake....but still, the conviction was good to hear, they had no doubts about Fox....

I've never seen it from him, but hopefully they're right.

That was probably Mike Campbell. He said the same thing to me on the phone this week. He's pretty knowledgable.

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04-30-2006, 04:48 PM	#16
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $1882500	I'm pleased. I don't know the right word for it.. I don't wanna say it was a "vanilla" draft, but it was kinda. Nothing overly flashy but nothing that makes you want to scream and throw an axe through Carl's head. I'd probably give it a B to B+. I like where we went with it though. We went with guys who can hit as opposed to project athletes who can't. I'm not surprised we drafted so many possible safeties, that's a big Herm thing. He's obviously trying to put a physical stamp on this team right away, he's not afraid to draft safeties in the late rounds and throw them in the fire. Any DB not named Surtain on this roster is not safe. I think all three DB's we drafted could make the team... I can see Herm doing that. We've got cap room to whack people. I could see him putting three completely different DB's out there with Surtain. I think this is going to be a very different defense.
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04-30-2006, 05:18 PM	#17
NaptownChief Football Pimp Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Indianapolis,IN Casino cash: $9974900	I gave it a B plus...Pretty pleased with it all...Only pick I didn't like is Pollard in the 2nd...I think he was late 2nd to late 3rd round talent but his possible character/personality issues made him more of a 4th round pick that we reached on. Derrek Hagan at that pick would have me rating this draft in the A category. The Jeff Webb pick late has a chance to make missing on Hagan feel much better however. Maxey seems like a good roll of the dice. Page seems like a decent talent for the 7th round but due to the Pollard pick and all the other current safeties on the roster would make it unlikely for him to make the final roster. Dee Webb the CB from Florida who fell much farther than expected would have been my pick at that point assuming there isn't a major issue that we don't know about off the field that caused him to fall. Over all quite pleased and I think Hali on the opposite side of Allen could make watching this defense fun again. __________________ "We weren't worth a damn," the Kansas City Chiefs head coach said, shaking his head. "I'm not worth a damn. No one's worth a damn..." Former President of the Eric Downing Fan Club and Current President of the Kris"Secret Weapon"Wilson Fan Club
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04-30-2006, 05:29 PM	#19
OnTheWarpath15 MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $4851115	I'm rather surprised/pleased. I'll give a B. As my sig attests, the Hali, Croyle and Webb picks were excellent IMO. While Pollard may have been a reach according to the "experts", I have a gut feeling he'll impress. Really the only picks I feel were "wasted"......not picking Rod Wright in the 6th, and the pick of Page in the 7th....he'll never make the roster. All in all, I thought CP adressed some glaring needs, and STOLE Croyle and Webb.
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04-30-2006, 06:08 PM	#20
Iowanian Supporter Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Utopia Casino cash: $4718454	my initial thought is a B. Good value picks, at positions of need. I think Hali is a good choice to immediately improve the pass rush. I also think Banyon is going to look like an ID-10-T in a couple of years and look forward to bringing this thread back up.
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04-30-2006, 06:32 PM	#27
Chiefnj MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Willis, Harris and Davis. Casino cash: $10004900	I gave it a C. I love the Hali pick, and like the Maxey pick. Other than those two I'm not overy impressed with the other choices. Very vanilla draft. We'll see in 3 years. __________________ "I always tell (the assistant coaches), 'Make it simple, 'cause I'm stupid,'" Edwards said. "This ain't computer football." Herm Edwards, 3-20-07 Q: Herm, back on December 25th you were asked if Trent Green was your starter going into next season and you said, ‘yeah, why wouldn’t he be?’ Have you changed your mind on that? EDWARDS: No, I have not.” (1-11-07)
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04-30-2006, 06:33 PM	#28
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