Movies and TV The Official "Lost" the series discussion - Page 367

Deberg_1990 · 10-06-2004, 04:29 PM

I figured I would start a thread for this and see what happens....there seemed to be quite a few viewers on the board for this show the past few weeks.....I like the direction the show is taking so far......episode 3 tonight at 7 central on ABC....

arrowheadnation · 05-23-2010, 11:01 PM

This is the best explanation I've seen...

We all have our mixed opinions now on what the island was, is and what this ending was about. The island was real. Yes Jack died right then and there on the ground in the bamboo next to Vincent. And Ben, Hurley and the rest of the Losties that remained on the island, stayed there until they passed hence Ben and Hurley calling each other good #1’s and #2’s. And Kate, Sawyer and the Losties that left the island on the plane lived out their lives until they died (or perhaps the plane didn’t make it and they died in a crash...only Damon and Carlton know). The alternate timeline was purgatory and the church was the pearly gates. When you die, time ceases to exist. Everyone in the alternate timeline died at some point. It does not matter when, because time is not a factor. Time is a concept made up by human beings. When you die, not only will you be in an afterlife with your ancestors, but also your children, your grandchildren, even your great-great-great-great-great grandchildren. As soon as you die time ceases to exist. This was the biggest event in each one of their lives and it meant so much to them so God wanted them to enter Heaven together as one.

To elaborate a little more (in my own words)...

In heaven, the great beyond, the next life, however your religion may perceive it, there is no such thing as time. LOST was basically the story of how Jack Shepard got to this great beyond. If it would have been the story of how Shannon got to the afterlife, we would have saw her story up to her getting shot, then we would have seen her arrival at the church with everybody (including Jack) already being there. If it would have been the story of Sawyer, we would have saw all the events up to him dying as an old man, getting hit by a bus, having a heart attack on the mainland. And in the alternate timeline, he would then show up at the church.....and of course everyone would already be there. You just have to tell your mind to let go of events happening in a certain order or timeline.

**Reaper16** · 05-23-2010, 11:31 PM

Two questions:

1.) Why did the show -- a largely premise-driven show despite its ending -- focus so much on sci-fi and fantasy storytelling only to give the audience that watched for those bits nothing but dozens of red herrings, MacGuffins and abandoned threads?

2.) The ending clearly wants to showcase the show as a character-driven one, that it is about the characters much more than it is about anything else. Does that hold up? Were the characters good enough to be the focus of the show?

**007** · 05-23-2010, 11:37 PM

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Can I just add that Kate never looked better than the little black dress and high heels.....wow

I don't know. That court outfit she had on a couple years back when she lost Aaron in the supermarket was pretty damn nice.

keg in kc · 05-23-2010, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16

2.) The ending clearly wants to showcase the show as a character-driven one, that it is about the characters much more than it is about anything else. Does that hold up? Were the characters good enough to be the focus of the show?

I've seen it as a character-driven show from the start. The "mysteries of the island" were fun little side-tracks to lose some time bullshitting about, but in the end it's always been about the cast. Hard not to be when they spend so much time filling in backstory and developing post-crash relationships (romantic and otherwise).

**Reaper16** · 05-24-2010, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

I've seen it as a character-driven show from the start. The "mysteries of the island" were fun little side-tracks to lose some time bullshitting about, but in the end it's always been about the cast. Hard not to be when they spend so much time filling in backstory and developing post-crash relationships (romantic and otherwise).

OK - but answer the question that follows from the assertion: if LOST is about its characters then was the show good? Where those characters good? Were their arcs satisfying?

bh13 · 05-24-2010, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

I've seen it as a character-driven show from the start. The "mysteries of the island" were fun little side-tracks to lose some time bullshitting about, but in the end it's always been about the cast. Hard not to be when they spend so much time filling in backstory and developing post-crash relationships (romantic and otherwise).

Agreed. I'm interested in the mysteries of the island somewhat yes, but it's the characters I tuned in for each week more than anything.

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Originally Posted by Reaper16

OK - but answer the question that follows from the assertion: if LOST is about its characters then was the show good? Where those characters good? Were their arcs satisfying?

To me, yes. I loved it.

teedubya · 05-24-2010, 12:37 AM

If the island wasn't real, then why would Jack have only these people at his funeral? It had to be real to some point, especially since they were able to get rescued from it once.

I want to know WHY the island was sunk at the beginning of season 6.

teedubya · 05-24-2010, 12:45 AM

Interesting, nonetheless. This story seems to me, to basically be about redemption for Jack... the arc of his life, his struggles, his choices... and inevitably finds that We Live Together... Die Together. Not alone.

All of the rest of it is filler. Jack fulfilled his "duty" whether it was real or imagined... it was a test, and he passed.

Jamie · 05-24-2010, 12:48 AM

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Where was walt and micheal?

Michael pretty much told Hurley that his spirit is stuck on the island earlier in the season. Walt probably grew up and had a life, and in the grand scheme of things these people weren't that important to him.

**007** · 05-24-2010, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by teedubya

If the island wasn't real, then why would Jack have only these people at his funeral? It had to be real to some point, especially since they were able to get rescued from it once.

I want to know WHY the island was sunk at the beginning of season 6.

That one still bugs me as well. was it just to show one of the many possible endings or was it to indicate that the blast actually did blow up the island in the " now perceived" alternate timeline.

Third Eye · 05-24-2010, 01:07 AM

I thought the episode was fantastic and a fitting end to the series. I guess I don't understand why people are having a hard time with it, seems pretty clear to me.

I do have to admit that something must have gotten in my eye during the Charlie and Claire "remembering."

ChiefJustice · 05-24-2010, 01:11 AM

They should have ended it with a close-up into Vincent's eyes with a reflection of the plane overhead.

And,then he barks....

That would have been more interesting.

**Buck** · 05-24-2010, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by KCFalcon59

So tell me why Penny was in the church if she never died???

That church scene could have taken place 100s to 1000s of years in the future.

**DaneMcCloud** · 05-24-2010, 01:22 AM

Everyone that's posted saw a different finale than I did.

JACK WAS JACOB.

The ENTIRE series was in Jack's mind.

Jack touched Rose. And Locke. And Desmond. And so on.

Jack's father died.

Jack was dead. On the island.

He wasn't saved by the island and there was no "purgatory".

Everything happened in the split second that flight 815 crashed.

THAT is why there is no explanation for the crash, EMT, Smoke Monster, etc.

It was all in the mind of Jack, just before he died.

They all died. It was Jack's fantasy.

**Buck** · 05-24-2010, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Everyone that's posted saw a different finale than I did.

JACK WAS JACOB.

The ENTIRE series was in Jack's mind.

Jack touched Rose. And Locke. And Desmond. And so on.

Jack's father died.

Jack was dead. On the island.

He wasn't saved by the island and there was no "purgatory".

Everything happened in the split second that flight 815 crashed.

THAT is why there is no explanation for the crash, EMT, Smoke Monster, etc.

It was all in the mind of Jack, just before he died.

They all died. It was Jack's fantasy.

No way in hell.

That show wasn't in anyone's head.

Damon and Carlton said no way.

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05-23-2010, 11:01 PM	#5491
arrowheadnation MONTANA #19 Join Date: Mar 2005 Casino cash: $6267357	This is the best explanation I've seen... We all have our mixed opinions now on what the island was, is and what this ending was about. The island was real. Yes Jack died right then and there on the ground in the bamboo next to Vincent. And Ben, Hurley and the rest of the Losties that remained on the island, stayed there until they passed hence Ben and Hurley calling each other good #1’s and #2’s. And Kate, Sawyer and the Losties that left the island on the plane lived out their lives until they died (or perhaps the plane didn’t make it and they died in a crash...only Damon and Carlton know). The alternate timeline was purgatory and the church was the pearly gates. When you die, time ceases to exist. Everyone in the alternate timeline died at some point. It does not matter when, because time is not a factor. Time is a concept made up by human beings. When you die, not only will you be in an afterlife with your ancestors, but also your children, your grandchildren, even your great-great-great-great-great grandchildren. As soon as you die time ceases to exist. This was the biggest event in each one of their lives and it meant so much to them so God wanted them to enter Heaven together as one. To elaborate a little more (in my own words)... In heaven, the great beyond, the next life, however your religion may perceive it, there is no such thing as time. LOST was basically the story of how Jack Shepard got to this great beyond. If it would have been the story of how Shannon got to the afterlife, we would have saw her story up to her getting shot, then we would have seen her arrival at the church with everybody (including Jack) already being there. If it would have been the story of Sawyer, we would have saw all the events up to him dying as an old man, getting hit by a bus, having a heart attack on the mainland. And in the alternate timeline, he would then show up at the church.....and of course everyone would already be there. You just have to tell your mind to let go of events happening in a certain order or timeline. __________________ Things I need to happen in order to die happy.... KU wins a National Championship....Check! The Royals win a World Series....Check! The Chiefs win a Super Bowl....FINALLY!!! Last edited by arrowheadnation; 05-23-2010 at 11:40 PM..
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05-24-2010, 12:37 AM	#5497
teedubya Most Valuable Poster Join Date: Oct 2003 Casino cash: $9490002	If the island wasn't real, then why would Jack have only these people at his funeral? It had to be real to some point, especially since they were able to get rescued from it once. I want to know WHY the island was sunk at the beginning of season 6.
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05-24-2010, 12:45 AM	#5498
teedubya Most Valuable Poster Join Date: Oct 2003 Casino cash: $9490002	Interesting, nonetheless. This story seems to me, to basically be about redemption for Jack... the arc of his life, his struggles, his choices... and inevitably finds that We Live Together... Die Together. Not alone. All of the rest of it is filler. Jack fulfilled his "duty" whether it was real or imagined... it was a test, and he passed.
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05-24-2010, 01:07 AM	#5501
Third Eye Veteran Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: JoCo Casino cash: $1670860	I thought the episode was fantastic and a fitting end to the series. I guess I don't understand why people are having a hard time with it, seems pretty clear to me. I do have to admit that something must have gotten in my eye during the Charlie and Claire "remembering."
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05-24-2010, 01:11 AM	#5502
ChiefJustice The Stig Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: "Some say he has no home" Casino cash: $10004900	They should have ended it with a close-up into Vincent's eyes with a reflection of the plane overhead. And,then he barks.... That would have been more interesting. __________________ Dante Hicks: But you hate people. Randal Graves: Yes, but I love gatherings. Isn't it ironic?
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05-24-2010, 01:22 AM	#5504
DaneMcCloud Supporter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Hollywood, CA Casino cash: $10053648	Everyone that's posted saw a different finale than I did. JACK WAS JACOB. The ENTIRE series was in Jack's mind. Jack touched Rose. And Locke. And Desmond. And so on. Jack's father died. Jack was dead. On the island. He wasn't saved by the island and there was no "purgatory". Everything happened in the split second that flight 815 crashed. THAT is why there is no explanation for the crash, EMT, Smoke Monster, etc. It was all in the mind of Jack, just before he died. They all died. It was Jack's fantasy.
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