Royals (New) 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository - Page 155

duncan_idaho · 08-15-2013, 08:13 AM

New thread, this time with more burst.

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

Nightfyre · 11-20-2013, 07:46 PM

Either that or they move Cabrera to the four hole and everyone pitches around him even more.

**lewdog** · 11-20-2013, 07:46 PM

Thanks for the move Tigers!

CaliforniaChief · 11-20-2013, 07:47 PM

Here I was thinking the Tigers would sneak in and grab Cano, giving them a 3-4-5 of Cano, Cabrera, and Fielder.

What a relief. Unless the Tigers plan to bring in...Napoli? Who knows.

BlackHelicopters · 11-20-2013, 07:49 PM

There has to be more to this. Doesn't make a lot of sense as it stands now.

**Shogun** · 11-20-2013, 07:52 PM

I worded that statement badly.

What I think is that this is a good baseball move. That bad contract is gone and they are getting a good player in return that helps them be good for the future, longer.

While the Royals are signing catchers from the Mets Minor league organization.

Nightfyre · 11-20-2013, 07:56 PM

They have to pay Kinsler 62M from 2014 (age 32) to 2017 (age 35). And the word on the street is that they have to send monies to Texas. I realize a four year poison pill is not exactly a seven year poison pill, but Kinsler isn't Prince by a long shot. And prince is only 29. So basically they traded Prince from 29 - 35 (168M or 24M/year) for Kinsler from 32 - 35 for (62M 15.4M/year) AND they have to send money?

**alnorth** · 11-20-2013, 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

Defensively sure, but um no

Agreed, I am very happy about this trade. Who knows what'll happen, but I think Texas got the better end of the deal.

The stupid Tigers may have just sold low on Prince and bought high on Kinsler.

SPchief · 11-20-2013, 08:02 PM

Unless there is more to this trade, Texas bent over Detroit. IMO

ChiefsCountry · 11-20-2013, 08:03 PM

Tigers have Scherzer on the block as well. Stars could be aligning for the Royals.

**alnorth** · 11-20-2013, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPchief

Unless there is more to this trade, Texas bent over Detroit. IMO

There is more to the trade.

Detroit has to send money to Texas! LOLOLOL

Demonpenz · 11-20-2013, 08:21 PM

Detroit is bankrupt

Infidel Goat · 11-20-2013, 08:32 PM

Offensive and defensive war combined...

2009: IK=6.4; PF=5.2
2010: IK=4.4; PF=0.6
2011: IK=7.3; PF=3.5
2012: IK=2.4; PF=3.9
2013: IK=5.1; PF=0.6

Fielder obviously has more value if he's only a DH (as he'll likely be in Texas) because he's essentially a -2 WAR player defensively every year otherwise. Still, I don't see this as a bad trade for Detroit.

**alnorth** · 11-20-2013, 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Infidel Goat

Offensive and defensive war combined...

2009: IK=6.4; PF=5.2
2010: IK=4.4; PF=0.6
2011: IK=7.3; PF=3.5
2012: IK=2.4; PF=3.9
2013: IK=5.1; PF=0.6

Fielder obviously has more value if he's only a DH (as he'll likely be in Texas) because he's essentially a -2 WAR player defensively every year otherwise. Still, I don't see this as a bad trade for Detroit.

Fielder is much younger, and more likely to provide high WAR. (going by bWAR)

SPchief · 11-20-2013, 08:49 PM

Completely arbitrary and I don't take any stock in this, but Kinsler's line at Comerica:

.200/.298/.329 (162 AB)

**alnorth** · 11-20-2013, 08:51 PM

I hereby declare Texas to be the winner of this fine trade. Congratulations, and thank you Texas for weakening the vile Tigers in our division.

08-15-2013, 08:13 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $1750308	(New) 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository New thread, this time with more burst. Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?
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11-20-2013, 07:56 PM	#2316
Nightfyre MVP Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Helena, MT Casino cash: $3638849	They have to pay Kinsler 62M from 2014 (age 32) to 2017 (age 35). And the word on the street is that they have to send monies to Texas. I realize a four year poison pill is not exactly a seven year poison pill, but Kinsler isn't Prince by a long shot. And prince is only 29. So basically they traded Prince from 29 - 35 (168M or 24M/year) for Kinsler from 32 - 35 for (62M 15.4M/year) AND they have to send money? Last edited by Nightfyre; 11-20-2013 at 08:02 PM..
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11-20-2013, 08:32 PM	#2322
Infidel Goat Beer Sherpa Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: shackled in a cellar Casino cash: $4002493	Offensive and defensive war combined... 2009: IK=6.4; PF=5.2 2010: IK=4.4; PF=0.6 2011: IK=7.3; PF=3.5 2012: IK=2.4; PF=3.9 2013: IK=5.1; PF=0.6 Fielder obviously has more value if he's only a DH (as he'll likely be in Texas) because he's essentially a -2 WAR player defensively every year otherwise. Still, I don't see this as a bad trade for Detroit.
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11-20-2013, 08:49 PM	#2324
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11-20-2013, 08:51 PM	#2325
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