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duncan_idaho · 08-15-2013, 08:13 AM

New thread, this time with more burst.

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

Chiefspants · 09-15-2013, 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kstater

No joke: Ned wanted to get the win for Guthrie.

This is at a Barnyard Trey level of absurdity.

Chiefspants · 09-15-2013, 07:20 PM

CONGRATS ON GETTING GUTHRIE THE LOSS, NED.

Nightfyre · 09-15-2013, 07:24 PM

WHAT ABOUT THE WAY GUTHRIE WAS PITCHING MADE NED THINK HE COULD GET THEM TO THE ****ING NINTH? I mean, I was watching on a shitty stream (because driecttv sunday ticket stream was domineering my interwebs) but he was giving up solid contact all over the place. 13 baserunners in 7 innings is not confidence inspiring.

Chiefspants · 09-15-2013, 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

WHAT ABOUT THE WAY GUTHRIE WAS PITCHING MADE NED THINK HE COULD GET THEM TO THE ****ING NINTH? I mean, I was watching on a shitty stream (because driecttv sunday ticket stream was domineering my interwebs) but he was giving up solid contact all over the place. 13 baserunners in 7 innings is not confidence inspiring.

Ned: Such grit is deserving of a win, after all is there a pitching stat that's more important?

How people are still defending Ned is mind-blowing to me, he is not fit to lead a contending ballclub.

**ChiTown** · 09-15-2013, 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

Ned: Such grit is deserving of a win, after all is there a pitching stat that's more important?

How people are still defending Ned is mind-blowing to me, he is not fit to lead a contending ballclub.

Did Ned really say he left Guthrie in to have an opportunity to get the win? Please tell me you are joking.

Raiderhater · 09-15-2013, 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiTown

Did Ned really say he left Guthrie in to have an opportunity to get the win? Please tell me you are joking.

It's not like he hasn't done it before.

**lewdog** · 09-15-2013, 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiTown

Did Ned really say he left Guthrie in to have an opportunity to get the win? Please tell me you are joking.

He doesn't have to say it, it's the only inference for leaving in a guy who's given up that many base runners with the best bullpen in baseball, with an expanded roster, waiting.

Ned's a **** tard.

Chiefspants · 09-15-2013, 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiTown

Did Ned really say he left Guthrie in to have an opportunity to get the win? Please tell me you are joking.

He actually said it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barnyard Ned

The way he had pitched, I just felt real strongly that he could get us to the ninth, turn it over to the pen in a tie game and give him a chance to win the game.

Demonpenz · 09-15-2013, 07:57 PM

Nice gesture from Boston today for Mariono Rivera.

Sure-Oz · 09-15-2013, 08:02 PM

Ned cost this team in a crucial game...use the best bullpen in the majors, period.

They missed another huge opp. now the games are coming down to single digits soon.

Do not retain YOST

Nightfyre · 09-15-2013, 08:03 PM

Where is Marty - we need to fly a goddamned banner.

Chiefspants · 09-15-2013, 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

Ned cost this team in a crucial game...use the best bullpen in the majors, period.

They missed another huge opp. now the games are coming down to single digits soon.

Do not retain YOST

Please, you don't have to fire him. Heck, Dayton can even have a grandpa dick style conference where he gives a teary eyed goodbye to Ned as he "resigns".

Promote him to the FO, do whatever you need to do to make it "clean" just get him off of the daily management of this team.

He is in way over his head to be managing a contender.

Chiefspants · 09-15-2013, 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

Where is Marty - we need to fly a goddamned banner.

Duuuuuuude, not a bad idea.

**Nzoner** · 09-15-2013, 08:05 PM

I predicted in a game thread in August this ****er was going to cost KC a real shot at the play-offs and in this instance I hate being right.

Kiss my ass ned.

Raiderhater · 09-15-2013, 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

Please, you don't have to fire him. Heck, Dayton can even have a grandpa dick style conference where he gives a teary eyed goodbye to Ned as he "resigns".

Promote him to the FO, do whatever you need to do to make it "clean" just get him off of the daily management of this team.

He is in way over his head to be managing a contender.

No, he needs to be fired. Today was nothing short of unacceptable.

08-15-2013, 08:13 AM
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