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Old 04-23-2007, 08:40 AM  
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Pretty alarmist, IMO, but possible.

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Old 05-19-2008, 12:38 PM   #631
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Market speculation and the weak dollar.
The weak dollar is over-stated in this context. In DC a couple of months ago I posted a chart from the WSJ showing that ppb of oil was up something like 90% in US dollars, but also 70% in Euros and 60% in Yen, or something along those lines.

Yes, it's up a bit more here, but it's up ALOT internationally. The weak dollar contributes to the problem here, but is neither a decisive factor, nor would strengthening the dollar simply fix the problem.

And "market speculation" is pretty much a straw-man. Speculators may well be driving the price up for a while, but eventually that is self-correcting. Unfortunately, nothing has caused that bubble to be pricked yet, if it is a bubble. Meanwhile, there's no obvious way to fix it -- capitalism is best when left to self-regulate, unless there really are predatory tactics going on.
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Old 05-19-2008, 12:41 PM   #632
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Not only that, but I'm seriously considering buying a Prius.
I'm not willing to go quite that far, but in about six months I'll have my Impala paid down to the point that I'll be able to get some trade in value out of it, and I'll probably get something in the Civic/Corolla range. One vehicle I'm seriously considering is the Nissan Versa, but I haven't tested one yet.
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Old 05-19-2008, 12:43 PM   #633
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I'm not willing to go quite that far, but in about six months I'll have my Impala paid down to the point that I'll be able to get some trade in value out of it, and I'll probably get something in the Civic/Corolla range. One vehicle I'm seriously considering is the Nissan Versa, but I haven't tested one yet.
Nissan generally makes decent cars. Is that their hybrid line?

And I'm considering the Prius only because I have a 35 minute one way drive to work (all highway).
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Old 05-19-2008, 12:44 PM   #634
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The weak dollar is over-stated in this context. In DC a couple of months ago I posted a chart from the WSJ showing that ppb of oil was up something like 90% in US dollars, but also 70% in Euros and 60% in Yen, or something along those lines.

Yes, it's up a bit more here, but it's up ALOT internationally. The weak dollar contributes to the problem here, but is neither a decisive factor, nor would strengthening the dollar simply fix the problem.

And "market speculation" is pretty much a straw-man. Speculators may well be driving the price up for a while, but eventually that is self-correcting. Unfortunately, nothing has caused that bubble to be pricked yet, if it is a bubble. Meanwhile, there's no obvious way to fix it -- capitalism is best when left to self-regulate, unless there really are predatory tactics going on.
I agree that it will probably be self-correcting. I don't see anything in the fundamentals that support this price.
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Old 05-19-2008, 12:49 PM   #635
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Nissan generally makes decent cars. Is that their hybrid line?

And I'm considering the Prius only because I have a 35 minute one way drive to work (all highway).
Not a hybrid, just a small 4 cylinder. There's a cross-over version that is similar to the Pontiac Vibe I used to have.

I test drove a new Vibe last week. I like it, just as I liked the one I foolishly traded (that would be paid off now ), but for what I'd pay for a base Vibe I can get a Versa with the options I want.

If the Versa has any sort of decent acceleration at all, that'll probably be the first on my list.
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Old 05-19-2008, 12:53 PM   #636
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Has anyone reconsidered a trip this weekend via automobile due to gas prices?
Yep. We're not going anywhere.
In fact, we cancelled a trip that was only 400 miles round trip last weekend for the same reason.
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Old 05-19-2008, 12:58 PM   #637
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Yep. We're not going anywhere.
In fact, we cancelled a trip that was only 400 miles round trip last weekend for the same reason.
Thanks for the feedback, guys. I'm looking forward to the next release of demand figures.

I've spoken with a bunch of people who are doing the same, some of whom can easily take the hit on the wallet, but aren't driving more out of a sense of spite.
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Old 05-19-2008, 01:47 PM   #638
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Thanks for the feedback, guys. I'm looking forward to the next release of demand figures.

I've spoken with a bunch of people who are doing the same, some of whom can easily take the hit on the wallet, but aren't driving more out of a sense of spite.


I fall into that category, not saying I can throw money around on a whim, but I can absorb a trip no problem, because I am very frugal with my money. I have not gone on a few little road trips because I chose not to.
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Thanks for the feedback, guys. I'm looking forward to the next release of demand figures.

I've spoken with a bunch of people who are doing the same, some of whom can easily take the hit on the wallet, but aren't driving more out of a sense of spite.
I have been setting the cruise control at 55-60 out of spite.

A whole lot of my customers are driving up to the store in sedans with thier big pickups parked at the farm.

The Saudi sob can think that the market is adequately supplied all he wants. He can post up 5 dollar gas if he wants, just don't expect to move much fuel at that price.
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Thanks for the feedback, guys. I'm looking forward to the next release of demand figures.

I've spoken with a bunch of people who are doing the same, some of whom can easily take the hit on the wallet, but aren't driving more out of a sense of spite.
Oh, I got shitloads of spite.

Even if the price comes down, I'm still getting a smaller vehicle. These fuckers can kiss my ass.
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Old 05-19-2008, 01:55 PM   #641
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Oh, I got shitloads of spite.

Even if the price comes down, I'm still getting a smaller vehicle. These fuckers can kiss my ass.
This is the only thing that gives me optimism. With each passing day, the fleet of cars gets smaller and more fuel efficient. AT the same time, marginal wells are being pumped with vigor, oil sands in Canada are now profitable to exploit, and heck, we might even drill in Anwar in a decade or so.
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And I'm considering the Prius only because I have a 35 minute one way drive to work (all highway).
Hybrids are most effective if you drive primarily city driving. They aren't that wonderful for highway. You can buy a manual Corolla for considerably less and, with some hypermiling techniques, still get excellent mileage.
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Thanks for the feedback, guys. I'm looking forward to the next release of demand figures.

I've spoken with a bunch of people who are doing the same, some of whom can easily take the hit on the wallet, but aren't driving more out of a sense of spite.
Can the rest of the world handle 125 crude? Oh, I know they take the Euro now, but the price is up regardless.
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Old 05-20-2008, 11:49 AM   #644
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So far oil has gone up another $2 bucks a barrel...
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Old 05-21-2008, 08:27 AM   #645
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