TEICHER- Chiefs draft helps, but it doesnt fill all the gaps

[DaKCMan AP]

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

Bullshit. I don't believe the team is ready to make a move, but Herm has had his three years, he CHOSE to stick with the vets-he even did it LAST YEAR. He's run out of excuses. He CHOSE to go this route, nobody forced his hand. He should have chosen this route three years ago. That fact that he didn't shouldn't buy him more time. In fact, quite the contrary, it should show how much he ****ed up in his first two years here. Enough of the free passes. They get PAID to a job, I'm sorry, but complete incompetence his first two years, shouldn't buy him more than this season. These are HIS players, that he CHOSE-it's time to start showing those players are worthy. Herm put himself in this mess.

I think you CHOOSE to ignore the difference between evaluation of past performance and expectations for this season.

[beach tribe]

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

Bullshit. I don't believe the team is ready to make a move, but Herm has had his three years, he CHOSE to stick with the vets-he even did it LAST YEAR. He's run out of excuses. He CHOSE to go this route, nobody forced his hand. He should have chosen this route three years ago. That fact that he didn't shouldn't buy him more time. In fact, quite the contrary, it should show how much he ****ed up in his first two years here. Enough of the free passes. They get PAID to a job, I'm sorry, but complete incompetence his first two years, shouldn't buy him more than this season. These are HIS players, that he CHOSE-it's time to start showing those players are worthy. Herm put himself in this mess.

I don't think you understand that until this 4-12 BS, Hermie was Carl's little bitch boy. Herm tattled to Clark about how Carl wouldn't let him rebuild, and Clark gave him more power realizing that a total rebuild was inevitable.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

Bullshit. I don't believe the team is ready to make a move, but Herm has had his three years, he CHOSE to stick with the vets-he even did it LAST YEAR. He's run out of excuses. He CHOSE to go this route, nobody forced his hand. He should have chosen this route three years ago. That fact that he didn't shouldn't buy him more time. In fact, quite the contrary, it should show how much he ****ed up in his first two years here. Enough of the free passes. They get PAID to a job, I'm sorry, but complete incompetence his first two years, shouldn't buy him more than this season. These are HIS players, that he CHOSE-it's time to start showing those players are worthy. Herm put himself in this mess.

Did you actually believe that Herm would(or could) rebuild the team his first year when the GM clearly thought there was still a chance to "Win now"? Did you expect the head coach to overule the GM immediately and start making changes?

It would be totally different if we actually had started the rebuild Herm's first year.... but we didn't. We went to the playoffs his first year, and most everybody was still hanging on to a shred of hope that we were just a few pieces away from a consistent squad. Then we see on Hard Knocks that the coach wanted to start Croyle and play the young guys, but King Carl still wanted to "Win now". We had to hit rock bottom before the rebuild actually began. And we didn't hit rock bottom until halfway through last season.

Herm didn't choose shit. He slowly put himself in position to get the owner behind the rebuild and get away from Carl's Mediocrity Express, so they could actually get shit done. We're finally seeing the changes that Carl never had the balls to make. We're seeing the rebuild finally come. And I'm sorry you think it should have come 2 years ago, but it didn't. That blame is not all Herm's. Get over it!

[BigChiefFan]

Originally Posted by KC Fish

Did you actually believe that Herm would(or could) rebuild the team his first year when the GM clearly thought there was still a chance to "Win now"? Did you expect the head coach to overule the GM immediately and start making changes?

It would be totally different if we actually had started the rebuild Herm's first year.... but we didn't. We went to the playoffs his first year, and most everybody was still hanging on to a shred of hope that we were just a few pieces away from a consistent squad. Then we see on Hard Knocks that the coach wanted to start Croyle and play the young guys, but King Carl still wanted to "Win now". We had to hit rock bottom before the rebuild actually began. And we didn't hit rock bottom until halfway through last season.

Herm didn't choose shit. He slowly put himself in position to get the owner behind the rebuild and get away from Carl's Mediocrity Express, so they could actually get shit done. We're finally seeing the changes that Carl never had the balls to make. We're seeing the rebuild finally come. And I'm sorry you think it should have come 2 years ago, but it didn't. That blame is not all Herm's. Get over it!

He CHOSE to ACCEPT the job KNOWING the pretenses-it's his team now, evidenced by the roster. I don't expect the team to do well, but that's not my problem. Hermie knew what he was getting into and so did Carl, hence giving up the 4th rounder for Hermie. They've had THREE YEARS to turn this mess around and they haven't. If they don't show major strides in becoming a better team, they need to be canned. This changing horses in mid stream is their CHOICE and a haphazard one at that. I agree with the philosophy, but it's pretty ****ing shortsighted to be JUST NOW starting this, this late in the game, therefore the "Grace" period is gone in my book. Put up or shutup time.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

You got the players you wanted, now make something happen. No more excuses.

Herm or Gun?

[Chief Chief]

Catchy headline.

"Let's State The Obvious" for $800 please, Alex.

[Hoover]

I love how we all bitch about us not hitting on low round draft picks, but when the team actually is going to play them we all scream bloody hell because we didn't give the spot to some FA who got a bunch of cash.

I think Rudy has either the guard or center spot all wrapped up, thats why we let Wiegmann walk. There is only one real spot open on the line and we have a bunch of guys ready to fight for it. I guess the problem was if we would have drafted a guard in the 3rd he might not have won the job which would have labeled him a BUST on this board.

[InChiefsHeaven]

Ummm...how come I keep hearing about this "easy schedule" that we have...we suck...there is no such thing as an easy schedule...

...I'm sure our opponents are all looking forward to playing us, they've already marked it as a 'W'.

[keg in kc]

Looks like some folks forgot to take their mydol this morning.

[Hoover]

I think all of you are nuts!

The best thing the Chiefs have done is taker a break from signing free agents this year and instead focus on rebuilding through the draft. This was wise because, 1. There were not many top notch FAs to sign, and 2. And the guys we would have liked to grab signed quickly and for top dollar.

Now for those who think we will never sign a top FA again are just crazy. Its fine to go out and get a player, but this team needed a foundation first. It would be like if Phobia was working a house and went out and bought a high dollar kick ass clay tile roof, but the four walls of the house and the foundation were crap. Once the chiefs foundation is soluid I expect them to go out and grab a key piece to the puzzle.

When will that be? It could be as soon as next year. Maybe its a FA DE, QB, or offensive lineman. Who knows, but the number of holes that will need to be addressed will be a lot fewer in the years ahead.

[Chiefnj2]

Herm has had a full 3 drafts to work with. Everyone acts like this past offseason was his first year. There should already be a solid foundation if his drafting has been worth a crap.

[Hoover]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Herm has had a full 3 drafts to work with. Everyone acts like this past offseason was his first year. There should already be a solid foundation if his drafting has been worth a crap.

I like his 3 drafts a lot actually. They are a hell of a lot better than the previous 10 drafts.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Herm has had a full 3 drafts to work with. Everyone acts like this past offseason was his first year. There should already be a solid foundation if his drafting has been worth a crap.

We should know this season if we have been drafting well the past two drafts. If Croyle, Tank, Turk, Webb, Smith, Hali, Page, Pollard, Taylor, Stallings pan out to some degree (which some already have), the past two drafts would have to be considered successes.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by Coogs

We should know this season if we have been drafting well the past two drafts. If Croyle, Tank, Turk, Webb, Smith, Hali, Page, Pollard, Taylor, Stallings pan out to some degree, I would think the past two drafts would have to be considered successes.

After 3 full drafts with a new coach a team shouldn't be less than 8-8.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

After 3 full drafts with a new coach a team shouldn't be less than 8-8.

And believe it or not nj I really think 8-8 is possible this season. It might not happen, but I am a heck of a lot more optomistic on reaching 8-8 this season than I was reaching 8-8 last season.