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Old 06-22-2015, 01:30 PM  
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So, who out there is obsessed with having green grass?

Are you installing a flowerbed and some shrubs?

Do you need a sprinkler system installed?

Do you just want to brag?

Let's talk about lawns in here.
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Old 06-25-2015, 01:40 PM   #151
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Thanks for all the info...I really wanted to do KOI, but I am going to check out these fish now.
No problem. Just let me know what questions you have. I have been doing it a long time. A koi pond can definitely be done but you won't get as much, if any plant life out of the pond. But if you are more interested in it for the fish aspect alone, not necessarily the entire experience of a water garden, then koi would be the way to go because they are larger and even more impressive in varieties and colors. Butterfly koi are very nice. You just have to be prepared to make a fairly large and deep pond. At least four feet deep in the center and around 8' x 10' at the absolute minimum on the surface area. And that is sticking with a small amount of fish.

On those goldfish, they can be purchased at a garden place like Family Tree Nursery. Where you are in Spring Hill, there is a place relatively close to you that also has fish available for purchase. They have pretty good prices too.

They also have plants for sale and many different elaborate water gardens set up. I highly recommend taking a visit there to help get some ideas as well as information. It is kind of just in a backyard but it is really cool. It is called Swan's Water Gardens. http://swanswatergardens.net/

So after reading their site I see they moved over the winter. So they may not have as much set up yet for ideas but their website does show some of the ones from the previous retail location.

The shubunkins are your blue based fish. They come in many varieties mixed with reds, oranges, and black.





The sarassa comets are the red and white mixes with varying degrees of more red or more white.





Then of course there are the regular orange comet goldfish.
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Old 06-25-2015, 01:59 PM   #152
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I am not looking to get too crazy with the aquatic plants, but it interest me on how you stated that it helps keep the water clean.

Size isn't an issues as I can accommodate the minimum standard you set at 8'x10'.
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Old 06-25-2015, 02:31 PM   #153
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I am not looking to get too crazy with the aquatic plants, but it interest me on how you stated that it helps keep the water clean.

Size isn't an issues as I can accommodate the minimum standard you set at 8'x10'.
Green water is actually suspended tiny algae organisms and the plants help control this because they compete for the same nutrients the algae utilize.

If size isn't an issue then you would want to go bigger on the surface area. What I stated for size would be something you regret after a while as you get frustrated not being able to add fish. If you are willing to put in the time, labor, and money upfront, a koi pond still be relatively maintenance free.
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Old 06-25-2015, 05:17 PM   #154
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Old 06-25-2015, 07:25 PM   #155
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Green water is actually suspended tiny algae organisms and the plants help control this because they compete for the same nutrients the algae utilize.

If size isn't an issue then you would want to go bigger on the surface area. What I stated for size would be something you regret after a while as you get frustrated not being able to add fish. If you are willing to put in the time, labor, and money upfront, a koi pond still be relatively maintenance free.
What about winterization?

Do you get a water heater for the winter? How does that work?
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What about winterization?

Do you get a water heater for the winter? How does that work?
Winterization depends on what you have. Plants that shoot above the water line need to be cut just above the surface. If they are on a shelf you can just leave most varieties right where they are and they will come back right around when the first plants in the yard grow. Lilies can just be cut close to the pot and placed back to where they were. Lotus need to be brought inside the garage or basement and kept wet.

Beyond the plants it actually isn't that difficult. Just make sure there isn't excessive wind blown debris because that depletes the oxygen supply over winter as the stuff decomposes. Cleaning out that stuff is important. Obviously how much effort this is depends on your location. In summer I don't have to do anything but in fall leaves come in every so often so I do a top water sift a few times a week.

Filters are cleaned one more time and turned off. Removing them isn't necessary, but it is kind of a best practice thing to do. I remove the waterfall one and leave the other one in since it is a below the surface filter that does nothing but clean and has no water feature it produces. Just moves water under the surface.

A de-icer is really the best thing to do. Water heaters aren't necessary and I don't know if they even make them. The de-icer keeps the water surface from freezing completely which is important in keeping the surface open to let oxygen in and for the gases from the decomposing stuff to escape. De-icers only come on when the water is below freezing. They don't "heat" the pond, they just keep an area around it from freezing. Full surface ice for extended periods will kill the fish. Get a de-icer and after your winterization process is done you basically don't have to do anything. Different sizes are more powerful than others. That is really all there is.

The fish stay in there. They need a fall/spring food that is easier to digest because with colder waters their metabolism slows. Then a different summer food. You don't feed them in the winter. They are designed for the cold water and do great in it. They essentially hibernate. They don't move since their metabolism and digestive system basically turns off below 45 degrees.

If you keep these things in mind it makes winterization easy because you won't choose a bad location under a tree, you don't bury your pump in an impossible place to get to, etc. Location is also important because you want sun, 6-8 hours is good, and you need to make sure it overflows somewhere into the yard when it rains.

One other thing that people use is a UV light. It helps kill the suspended green algae because the pump forces the water through the light chamber and it helps keep the water a bit more clear. The effectiveness of those depends on many factors though.
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Ran home to hop on the tractor and mow before it rained, didn't think I had enough gas, wife said rain in 15 minutes! Great, drank a beer, threw it in high and powered out. Still hasn't rained.
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OK, so no bitching!
Who's bitching, I have mowed in the rain before?
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