Mellinger: In the end, Jackson, DeVito do the dirty work for Chiefs’ defense

[CallMeSquidwad]

I can proudly say I have never been one of those douchebags who was calling him a bust his whole career. Even before this year Tyson has had a pretty good career, people are just clueless and expect every interior lineman to get stats like JJ Watt did last year. Here in reality T Jax has improved every year since he came in the league and I honestly still think Glenn would be doing more for us than DeVito although it did help bringing in one of Sutton's guys. When it's all said and done....thank god Pioli took Tyson instead of Aaron Curry(who was the consensus pick by "draft experts")

[loochy]

Originally Posted by CallMeSquidward

I can proudly say I have never been one of those douchebags who was calling him a bust his whole career. Even before this year Tyson has had a pretty good career, people are just clueless and expect every interior lineman to get stats like JJ Watt did last year. Here in reality T Jax has improved every year since he came in the league and I honestly still think Glenn would be doing more for us than DeVito although it did help bringing in one of Sutton's guys. When it's all said and done....thank god Pioli took Tyson instead of Aaron Curry(who was the consensus pick by "draft experts")

WHEN TOM BRADY GOT DRAFTED IN THE 6th ROUND I KNEW THAT HE'D BE THE BESTEST QB EVAR!

ALL OF YOU ARE reerunS BUT I KNEW FROM THE BEGINNING!

[CallMeSquidwad]

Originally Posted by loochy

WHEN TOM BRADY GOT DRAFTED IN THE 6th ROUND I KNEW THAT HE'D BE THE BESTEST QB EVAR!

ALL OF YOU ARE reerunS BUT I KNEW FROM THE BEGINNING!

It not even humanely possible for me to care any less what you think, but honestly you think it makes any sense comparing a 6th rounder who came out of nowhere to a good team to a guy who was a top 5 pick going to a shitty team expected to immediately make an impact.... YOU'RE SMART

[Brock]

Originally Posted by CallMeSquidward

I can proudly say I have never been one of those douchebags who was calling him a bust his whole career. Even before this year Tyson has had a pretty good career, people are just clueless and expect every interior lineman to get stats like JJ Watt did last year. Here in reality T Jax has improved every year since he came in the league and I honestly still think Glenn would be doing more for us than DeVito although it did help bringing in one of Sutton's guys. When it's all said and done....thank god Pioli took Tyson instead of Aaron Curry(who was the consensus pick by "draft experts")

He would have been a fine pick 20 spots later. Quit trying to rewrite history.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by Brock

He would have been a fine pick 20 spots later. Quit trying to rewrite history.

lots of people were saying he sucked regardless of draft spot


many of the same are now saying the same about Fisher

[Brock]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

lots of people were saying he sucked regardless of draft spot


many of the same are now saying the same about Fisher

That's just human nature. If he was the 18th pick, there wouldn't have been near the bitching. And yeah, surprise, people expect more out of a top 5 pick.

[ModSocks]

Originally Posted by CallMeSquidward

I can proudly say I have never been one of those douchebags who was calling him a bust his whole career. Even before this year Tyson has had a pretty good career, people are just clueless and expect every interior lineman to get stats like JJ Watt did last year. Here in reality T Jax has improved every year since he came in the league and I honestly still think Glenn would be doing more for us than DeVito although it did help bringing in one of Sutton's guys. When it's all said and done....thank god Pioli took Tyson instead of Aaron Curry(who was the consensus pick by "draft experts")

Shutup.

People calling him a bust had very little to do with his stats and everything to do with him getting his shit pushed in. Up until last season the dude was a liability. He's picked it up the last two seasons, particularly this season. Good for him. But don't feed us this "good career" bullshit.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Shutup.

People calling him a bust had very little to do with his stats and everything to do with him getting his shit pushed in. Up until last season the dude was a liability. He's picked it up the last two seasons, particularly this season. Good for him. But don't feed us this "good career" bullshit.

You are only looking at it from one side of the picture though.

Its no coincidence at all that Dorsey and Jackson are having the best seasons of their careers.

And the reason is simple. They were attacking d linemen in College, that were on attack mode every single play, and when they played in Kansas City, they were told to hold their blocks, and stop the run.

That was their job. Its phenomenal, what a difference it makes for players when their coaches put them in a position to succeed.

You have two defensive linemen that in college did nothing but attack, in Tyson, and Poe, and one who knows the role he is placed in. He plays in the Justin Smith elephant end spot. His job much like justins is to free up Hali to have one on one blocking like Justin Smith did for Aldon Smith.

Some times, way to much is placed on the PLAYER, and not paid attention to the situation he is being put into.

Was Tyson Jackson picked too high? Well yeah, if your entire idea for him was to be a run stopper.

That would be like Cleveland selecting Barkevious Mingo this year to be a tight end covering LB.

Its a waste.

[ModSocks]

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

You are only looking at it from one side of the picture though.

Its no coincidence at all that Dorsey and Jackson are having the best seasons of their careers.

And the reason is simple. They were attacking d linemen in College, that were on attack mode every single play, and when they played in Kansas City, they were told to hold their blocks, and stop the run.

That was their job. Its phenomenal, what a difference it makes for players when their coaches put them in a position to succeed.

You have two defensive linemen that in college did nothing but attack, in Tyson, and Poe, and one who knows the role he is placed in. He plays in the Justin Smith elephant end spot. His job much like justins is to free up Hali to have one on one blocking like Justin Smith did for Aldon Smith.

Some times, way to much is placed on the PLAYER, and not paid attention to the situation he is being put into.

Was Tyson Jackson picked too high? Well yeah, if your entire idea for him was to be a run stopper.

That would be like Cleveland selecting Barkevious Mingo this year to be a tight end covering LB.

Its a waste.

Dude.....

You didn't even watch Tyson Jackson his first few years.

Poe and Jackson weren't even close to the same kind of player their rookie years. Poe looked promising, we were singing his praises LAST season.

Jackson was routinely getting blown off the LoS...sometimes by several yards. Jackson got the bust label because...well....he looked like a ****ing bust, scheme had nothing to do with his shitty play.

And Poe was "attacking" in college? The ****?

[Mav]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Dude.....

You didn't even watch Tyson Jackson his first few years.

Poe and Jackson weren't even close to the same kind of player their rookie years. Poe looked promising, we were singing his praises LAST season.

Jackson was routinely getting blown off the LoS...sometimes by several yards. Jackson got the bust label because...well....he looked like a ****ing bust, scheme had nothing to do with his shitty play.

And Poe was "attacking" in college? The ****?

How much of Poe did you see in college?

He was constantly told to go get the passer. That was his job. He wasn't seen in college as a 3-4 nose. He was seen as a 4-3 1 technique.

He was compared to Warren Sapp for christs sake.

His ability as a nose tackle is just because he is special. He is Vince Wilfork when used correctly.

Tyson Jackson was never asked to be a run stuffer in college. He also didn't play the 5 technique in a 3-4 in college. He was much like Dorsey, a dt in the 4-3 where his job was to rush the passer.

He is playing more to that now. Not just looking to stop the run.

No matter how you look at it, he was overdrafted. Im not arguing that.

But, drafting a guy that high, and asking him to do something he was never asked to do, is asking for trouble.

period.

[ModSocks]

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

How much of Poe did you see in college?

He was constantly told to go get the passer. That was his job. He wasn't seen in college as a 3-4 nose. He was seen as a 4-3 1 technique.

He was compared to Warren Sapp for christs sake.

His ability as a nose tackle is just because he is special. He is Vince Wilfork when used correctly.

Tyson Jackson was never asked to be a run stuffer in college. He also didn't play the 5 technique in a 3-4 in college. He was much like Dorsey, a dt in the 4-3 where his job was to rush the passer.

He is playing more to that now. Not just looking to stop the run.

No matter how you look at it, he was overdrafted. Im not arguing that.

But, drafting a guy that high, and asking him to do something he was never asked to do, is asking for trouble.

period.

Really? You were watching C-USA football back when Poe was in College? Excuse me if i don't accept you as some Poe expert, it's a little hard to believe. The knock on Poe was that he was one of the least productive college players in recent draft memory and Crennel chalked that up to the variety of schemes and assignments he was expected to play in.

I don't care what scheme Jackson was accustomed to playing in, the guy was manhandled and looked bad. Period. End of story.

43 or 34, doesn't matter. If you're getting your ass blown off the line of scrimmage and being run on and unable to hold your ground 1v1, no scheme is going to change that.

You've been a Chiefs fan for 8 games. Please don't come in here and tell me about how players were playing 3-4 years ago.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

How much of Poe did you see in college?

He was constantly told to go get the passer. That was his job. He wasn't seen in college as a 3-4 nose. He was seen as a 4-3 1 technique.

He was compared to Warren Sapp for christs sake.

His ability as a nose tackle is just because he is special. He is Vince Wilfork when used correctly.

Tyson Jackson was never asked to be a run stuffer in college. He also didn't play the 5 technique in a 3-4 in college. He was much like Dorsey, a dt in the 4-3 where his job was to rush the passer.

He is playing more to that now. Not just looking to stop the run.

No matter how you look at it, he was overdrafted. Im not arguing that.

But, drafting a guy that high, and asking him to do something he was never asked to do, is asking for trouble.

period.

He wasn't over drafted.

The Chiefs were switching to a 34 and there was literally nobody on the roster who was capable of playing the five tech spot. Nobody.

They had to draft that guy and Jackson was the best player at that position in the '09 draft.

In fact, they drafted two of those guys because there was no one on the roster. If anyone should have been pissed about drafting that position they had every right to be torqued off about spending a high three on Alex Magee versus the first rounder on Tyson Jackson.

Jackson has flashed since his rookie year, but it's been the valleys rather than the hills that have been more consistent for him.

The problem around here when Jackson was drafted is the same problem that it's been every year around here come draft time: that the Chiefs didn't spend their first pick on a quarterback. Doesn't matter who, but there is a vocal minority on CP that literally demands a QB every single year in the first round. In 2009, you had those guys screaming for Mark Sanchez. Literally. They were salivating at the chance of getting the Sanchize. (For the record, I wanted Alex Mack, but could you have possibly imagined the reaction around here if the Chiefs drafted a center, let alone a five tech defensive end? Hilarity would have ensued.)

The vocal minority basically went ape shit when the Chiefs picked up a gap plugger versus a QB, even if that QB has basically been a total bust. (These same guys wanted Jimmy Clausen with the Chiefs first rounder the next year, so...there's that.)

[stevieray]

awesome...somebody's got to do it.

[CallMeSquidwad]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Shutup.

People calling him a bust had very little to do with his stats and everything to do with him getting his shit pushed in. Up until last season the dude was a liability. He's picked it up the last two seasons, particularly this season. Good for him. But don't feed us this "good career" bullshit.

No you're just ****in inept and weren't watching. He has continued to get better every year of his career he just couldn't stay healthy the first few years which didn't help matters at all. Injuries are the sole reason Glenn wasn't what he was at LSU, he just lost that burst due to knee/ankle injuries. How about up until last season we had a gapping hole in the middle of defense that was the real liability? Did you think of that one? Yeah huge coincidence that once Poe arrives Tyson has his best 2 seasons as a pro....