For those who want to trade our 2nd rounder for Surtain...

shaneo69 · 04-19-2005, 09:43 PM

If our 2nd rounder is gone, who do you want in the first, and how should we fix our LB problem?

Poll forthcoming, if I can figure this thing out. It may take awhile, I'm no Rainman.

jspchief · 04-19-2005, 09:45 PM

If we keep the scond round pick, how do we fix our LB problem? Take a LB at #15? Okay. How do we fix our CB problem?

milkman · 04-19-2005, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

If we keep the scond round pick, how do we fix or LB problem? Take a LB at #15? Okay. How do we fix our CB problem?

If we don't trade the #2 for Surtain (

Carl, get it done!), then draft Carlos Rogers at 15, and a LB at 46.

jspchief · 04-19-2005, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SideWinder

If we don't trade the #2 for Surtain (

Carl, get it done!), then draft Carlos Rogers at 15, and a LB at 46.

And that LB at #46 isn't likely to be better than what we have.

My point is, whether we have a second round pick or not, chances are that we'll only be able to upgrade one spot through the draft (with pick #15). So we might as well guarantee an upgrade with that 2nd round pick by trading it for Surtain.

milkman · 04-19-2005, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

And that LB at #46 isn't likely to be better than what we have.

My point is, whether we have a second round pick or not, chances are that we'll only be able to upgrade one spot through the draft (with pick #15). So we might as well guarantee an upgrade with that 2nd round pick by trading it for Surtain.

You won't get any argument from me.

**HemiEd** · 04-19-2005, 10:04 PM

Providing we can figure out how to get Surtain under the Cap, it has to be done. As CP said, there has to be an order to things for this to happen. After watching the workouts, I am more convinced that we should get Blackstock and not DJ.
It seems like everyone wants to trade down, so I think we go the other way and go offense. Can we get a Top notch WR, Blackstock and Surtain?

shaneo69 · 04-19-2005, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SideWinder

If we don't trade the #2 for Surtain (

Carl, get it done!), then draft Carlos Rogers at 15, and a LB at 46.

That's what I'm saying. I think we can get a starting LB at #46.

jspchief · 04-19-2005, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by shaneo69

That's what I'm saying. I think we can get a starting LB at #46.

Take a look at last year's 2nd round LBs. See anybody good? Didn't think so. Go look at the 2003 second round LBs. recognize anyone? Even if you do, they didn't do sh*t their rookie year.

Counting on a second round pick for a starting LB gets you Kawika Mitchell quality players.

suds79 · 04-19-2005, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

Take a look at last year's 2nd round LBs. See anybody good? Didn't think so. Go look at the 2003 second round LBs. recognize anyone? Even if you do, they didn't do sh*t their rookie year.

Counting on a second round pick for a starting LB gets you Kawika Mitchell quality players.

I'm pretty sure I can speak for all other LBs drafted in the middle rounds when being compared to Kawika Mitchell.

"I take offense to that".

shaneo69 · 04-19-2005, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

Take a look at last year's 2nd round LBs. See anybody good? Didn't think so. Go look at the 2003 second round LBs. recognize anyone? Even if you do, they didn't do sh*t their rookie year.

Counting on a second round pick for a starting LB gets you Kawika Mitchell quality players.

I think Boley could start right away on this defense.

milkman · 04-19-2005, 09:45 PM

If we get Surtain, then a tradedown becomes more attractive, unless DJ falls to 15, or we can find a creative way to move up to pick him.

suds79 · 04-19-2005, 09:49 PM

With or without Surtain, I want either Rolle, Rogers or Jones (and in that order) with the 1st pick.

The only exception to that would be if Derrick Johnson is there.

Here's why I say take a CB no matter what.

If Eric Warfield gets suspended for the 1st 4 games next year and we don't have one of those top rated CBs, we're done. It won't matter if we have Surtain because our opponents will just pick on our #2 & #3 CBs.

Say Eric Warfield can play. Then teams will just run out there 3 wide and simply pick on either Dexter or Burntee.

Basically what I'm saying is we need 3 quaility CBs going into next year and we currently have 1.

**Bowser** · 04-19-2005, 09:51 PM

A tradedown would solve our problems this year. It makes sense, so it won't happen.

milkman · 04-19-2005, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by suds79

With or without Surtain, I want either Rolle, Rogers or Jones (and in that order) with the 1st pick.

The only exception to that would be if Derrick Johnson is there.

Here's why I say take a CB no matter what.

If Eric Warfield gets suspended for the 1st 4 games next year and we don't have one of those top rated CBs, we're done. It won't matter if we have Surtain because our opponents will just pick on our #2 & #3 CBs.

Say Eric Warfield can play. Then teams will just run out there 3 wide and simply pick on either Dexter or Burntee.

Basically what I'm saying is we need 3 quaility CBs going into next year and we currently have 1.

We need LBs just as badly as CBs, if not moreso.

suds79 · 04-19-2005, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SideWinder

We need LBs just as badly as CBs, if not moreso.

Yeah it kinda sucks we ya have a defense as bad as we do.

It's a pick your poision. I'll take teams getting several 10 yard plays (running) rather than several 40 yard plays (passing). Give me the CB.

View Poll Results: If we trade our 2nd for Surtain, who do you want in the 1st?
Draft Erasmus James at #15, only use 1 LB (Bell)	0	0%
Draft David Pollack at #15, make him a LB like Tedy Bruschi	6	37.50%
Draft Thomas Davis at #15; play a 4-1-6 defense with 4 safeties	4	25.00%
Trade down for an extra 3rd rounder; take Darryl Blackstock and switch to a 3-4	2	12.50%
Take Alex Barron at #15; Willie Roaf only plans on playing 3 more years	0	0%
Take Mark Clayton at #15; Samie Parker looks like a bust	2	12.50%
Take Travis Johnson at #15; we need a good DT project	0	0%
Take Marcus Spears at #15; make Scanlon a starter	0	0%
Take Brodney Pool at #15; we need another safety	1	6.25%
Take Heath Miller at #15; we need a big TE	1	6.25%
Voters: 16. You may not vote on this poll

04-19-2005, 09:43 PM	Topic Starter
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04-19-2005, 09:45 PM	#2
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04-19-2005, 10:04 PM	#6
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04-19-2005, 09:49 PM	#12
suds79 MVP Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $10005036	With or without Surtain, I want either Rolle, Rogers or Jones (and in that order) with the 1st pick. The only exception to that would be if Derrick Johnson is there. Here's why I say take a CB no matter what. If Eric Warfield gets suspended for the 1st 4 games next year and we don't have one of those top rated CBs, we're done. It won't matter if we have Surtain because our opponents will just pick on our #2 & #3 CBs. Say Eric Warfield can play. Then teams will just run out there 3 wide and simply pick on either Dexter or Burntee. Basically what I'm saying is we need 3 quaility CBs going into next year and we currently have 1.
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04-19-2005, 09:51 PM	#13
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