Albert/Joeckel perspective

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

They tried, but they failed. Paterson focused heavily on never being a BAD team, on doing everything possible to avoid a season where the wheels really came off.

That's pure ****ing bullshit.

Carl Peterson drafted three Hall of Fame players, signed a HOFer in free agency and traded for another. He busted his ass to get a winner in KC his first decade.

They traded for an signed any QB they believed to be capable of beating John Elway and getting to the playoffs.

To pretend as if that didn't happen is just a bunch of ****ing garbage.

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

The main reason they failed is because they were content with bringing in a string of other teams' garbage at QB rather than truly trying to find a stud of their own, because they couldn't afford to wait for a young QB to develop.

So, who should they have drafted and developed?

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

We've seen what happens when you try to build with great defense and OL and homefield advantage, but mediocre at best at QB.

I'm done with that, as are many other Chiefs fans.

See ya!

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

If they don't take a REAL stab at getting a QB who COULD be that guy in this draft, I'm probably checked out until they do. (Note: This doesn't mean taking the next limpDick Stanzi. Would require a 2nd round pick or a 3rd if QBs slip)

Well, that's just so ****ing magnanimous of you. The Chiefs had "better draft a QB or I'm done!".



****in' pussy.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

That's pure ****ing bullshit.

Carl Peterson drafted three Hall of Fame players, signed a HOFer in free agency and traded for another. He busted his ass to get a winner in KC his first decade.

They traded for an signed any QB they believed to be capable of beating John Elway and getting to the playoffs.

To pretend as if that didn't happen is just a bunch of ****ing garbage.



So, who should they have drafted and developed?



See ya!



Well, that's just so ****ing magnanimous of you. The Chiefs had "better draft a QB or I'm done!".



****in' pussy.

And all the great work Peterson did was done with a major flaw: No elite play at QB. His method of trading for vets and attempting to get a good QB that way kept that team from ever taking advantage of the multiple All-Pros and Hall of Famers and winning the Super Bowl or even a freaking league title. Having a QB that wouldn't hurt them while ensuring they won 7-11 games.

As for who should they have drafted... there were guys available during the draft in the 90s (Favre, Brunell were both taken with 10-15 picks of a wasted pick for the Chiefs) they could have taken a stab at, but Peterson seemed unwilling to do it after missing on Blundin.

Your use of smillies is impressive.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

And all the great work Peterson did was done with a major flaw: No elite play at QB.

That's really untrue. Steve DeBerg played lights out in 1991. The guy threw something like 24 TD's versus 4 Int's. The Chiefs were in the AFC Championship Game due to the phenomenal play of Joe Montana. The Chiefs got "Elite" play from Grbac and Gannon in 1997.

You're making it out as if the Peterson and Schottenheimer didn't attempt to bring a championship to Kansas City, and nothing could be further from the truth.

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

His method of trading for vets and attempting to get a good QB that way kept that team from ever taking advantage of the multiple All-Pros and Hall of Famers and winning the Super Bowl or even a freaking league title. Having a QB that wouldn't hurt them while ensuring they won 7-11 games.

You specfically mentioned the 90's. The Chiefs only had one losing season from 1989-1998, so I don't believe that 7 games was their floor.

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

As for who should they have drafted... there were guys available during the draft in the 90s (Favre, Brunell were both taken with 10-15 picks of a wasted pick for the Chiefs) they could have taken a stab at, but Peterson seemed unwilling to do it after missing on Blundin.

So, you're argument is predicated on Favre and Brunell?

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

That's really untrue. Steve DeBerg played lights out in 1991. The guy threw something like 24 TD's versus 4 Int's. The Chiefs were in the AFC Championship Game due to the phenomenal play of Joe Montana. The Chiefs got "Elite" play from Grbac and Gannon in 1997.

You're making it out as if the Peterson and Schottenheimer didn't attempt to bring a championship to Kansas City, and nothing could be further from the truth.



You specfically mentioned the 90's. The Chiefs only had one losing season from 1989-1998, so I don't believe that 7 games was their floor.







So, you're argument is predicated on Favre and Brunell?

Your use of smilies is once again impressive.

Deberg had a Matt Cassel/2010-ish 1990 season, working off the Chiefs feared running game and throwing a bunch of play-action passes a game. It still resulted in a first-round playoff loss when matched up against a team with an elite QB. He was pretty medicore again in 1991. Retread.

Montana was an aggressive play, and I won't criticize it. It would have been an even better play if they'd tried to develop a young QB behind him rather than sitting on laurels.

Grbac was certainly not elite in 1997. QB rating under 80. Gannon was not elite that year, either.

Peterson and Marty wanted to win here, obviously. But their plan was drastically flawed because they tried again and again to strike gold on retread QBs and failed. Bringing in vet QBs to ensure they had good leadership at the position and never were in danger of being out of playoff contention was great for attendance and the team's overall record during the decade. But it didn't help them get to the ultimate prize.

The one time they found a retread who actually COULD be an elite QB (Gannon), they ran him off without giving him a real shot.