DON'T fire Ned Yost

[Mama Hip Rockets]

Uh, one no-brainer decision does not make up for the hundreds of horrendous decisions he's made throughout the year.

[Lex Luthor]

Originally Posted by thurman merman

Uh, one no-brainer decision does not make up for the hundreds of horrendous decisions he's made throughout the year.

I'm not saying Yost is a tactical genius. He's obviously not. But like I said, you've GOT to give him credit for the way this team has pulled together and put on a playoff run.

They could have easily quit after they went 4-19 during that horrendous stretch in May, and they could have easily quit after they lost 7 in a row in August. They didn't.

If they fired Ned Yost, who are you going to replace him with who would be better?

[Chiefspants]

Originally Posted by Brainiac

I'm not saying Yost is a tactical genius. He's obviously not. But like I said, you've GOT to give him credit for the way this team has pulled together and put on a playoff run.

They could have easily quit after they went 4-19 during that horrendous stretch in May, and they could have easily quit after they lost 7 in a row in August. They didn't.

If they fired Ned Yost, who are you going to replace him with who would be better?

If we have a chance to pull Charlie Manuel, you pull the trigger without ever looking back.

Ned's decisions unquestionably led us to a loss in two or perhaps three critical games down the stretch. He's a small ball overmanager who has no business overseeing a contender.

[Lex Luthor]

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

If we have a chance to pull Charlie Manuel, you pull the trigger without ever looking back.

Ned's decisions unquestionably led us to a loss in two or perhaps three critical games down the stretch. He's a small ball overmanager who has no business overseeing a contender.

OK, I'll give you Charlie Manuel.

[Lex Luthor]

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

If we have a chance to pull Charlie Manuel, you pull the trigger without ever looking back.

Ned's decisions unquestionably led us to a loss in two or perhaps three critical games down the stretch. He's a small ball overmanager who has no business overseeing a contender.

Of course, the problem with Charlie Manuel is that he's pushing 70 years old and he's already had a heart attack, quadruple bypass surgery, a blocked and infected colon, and kidney cancer. I don't think he'd be the right choice for a young team because he might not be around very long.

[Mama Hip Rockets]

Originally Posted by Brainiac

I'm not saying Yost is a tactical genius. He's obviously not. But like I said, you've GOT to give him credit for the way this team has pulled together and put on a playoff run.

They could have easily quit after they went 4-19 during that horrendous stretch in May, and they could have easily quit after they lost 7 in a row in August. They didn't.

If they fired Ned Yost, who are you going to replace him with who would be better?

I give Ned no credit whatsoever for the success of this team. He has been directly responsible for a multitude of losses which have put this team in a much tighter spot than they really should be. Examples:

A) Letting Wade Davies stay in the starting rotation until August.
B) Repeatedly batting Chris Getz leadoff despite his .250 OBP or whatever.
C) Atrocious mismanagement of the bullpen all year long - most importantly, not letting Louis Coleman pitch in high-pressure situations, and instead letting proven losers like Crow, Herrera, and Davies pitch in those situations.
D) Repeatedly leaving starters in too long. For example, blowing the game against Detroit last Sunday by trotting out Guthrie for the 8th inning when he was already over 100 pitches and had given up 12 hits.
E) Choking away the huge game against Cleveland last Tuesday - wasting Ventura's great start. Coleman, in a rare appearance in a pressure situation, gets a bases-loaded strikeout to get out of a jam. Yost promptly pulls him the next inning, allowing the usual suspects (Herrera and Davies) to blow the lead.
F) Having Carlos Pena pinch hit for Jarrod Dyson in a huge situation with the season on the line.
G) Calls sacrifice bunts like it's 1920.

I could go on and on. This is just off the top of my head.

[Lex Luthor]

Originally Posted by thurman merman

I give Ned no credit whatsoever for the success of this team. He has been directly responsible for a multitude of losses which have put this team in a much tighter spot than they really should be. Examples:

A) Letting Wade Davies stay in the starting rotation until August.
B) Repeatedly batting Chris Getz leadoff despite his .250 OBP or whatever.
C) Atrocious mismanagement of the bullpen all year long - most importantly, not letting Louis Coleman pitch in high-pressure situations, and instead letting proven losers like Crow, Herrera, and Davies pitch in those situations.
D) Repeatedly leaving starters in too long. For example, blowing the game against Detroit last Sunday by trotting out Guthrie for the 8th inning when he was already over 100 pitches and had given up 12 hits.
E) Choking away the huge game against Cleveland last Tuesday - wasting Ventura's great start. Coleman, in a rare appearance in a pressure situation, gets a bases-loaded strikeout to get out of a jam. Yost promptly pulls him the next inning, allowing the usual suspects (Herrera and Davies) to blow the lead.
F) Having Carlos Pena pinch hit for Jarrod Dyson in a huge situation with the season on the line.
G) Calls sacrifice bunts like it's 1920.

I could go on and on. This is just off the top of my head.

You forgot about the game where Shields was pitching a 2-hit shutout and leading 1-0 after 8 innings. Yost put Holland in and Holland promptly blew the save.

I can't really argue with any of the points you raised. Ned's blunders can be infuriating.

[Mama Hip Rockets]

Originally Posted by Brainiac

You forgot about the game where Shields was pitching a 2-hit shutout and leading 1-0 after 8 innings. Yost put Holland in and Holland promptly blew the save.

I can't really argue with any of the points you raised. Ned's blunders can be infuriating.

LOL. Then why did you start this thread?

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by Brainiac

You forgot about the game where Shields was pitching a 2-hit shutout and leading 1-0 after 8 innings. Yost put Holland in and Holland promptly blew the save.

I can't really argue with any of the points you raised. Ned's blunders can be infuriating.

But he made one move correctly and he should get an extension!

[WhawhaWhat]

Originally Posted by thurman merman

C) Atrocious mismanagement of the bullpen all year long - most importantly, not letting Louis Coleman pitch in high-pressure situations, and instead letting proven losers like Crow, Herrera, and Davies pitch in those situations.

The bullpen ERA is one of the best of the live ball era. You may not agree with his decisions but using it as a reason to fire him is stupid.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat

The bullpen ERA is one of the best of the live ball era. You may not agree with his decisions but using it as a reason to fire him is stupid.

Not because of pitchers like Herrera.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by tredadda

Not because of pitchers like Herrera.

He banished Crow and that alone is proof he's not dumb

[Chiefspants]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

He banished Crow and that alone is proof he's not dumb

Luckily Crow only had to serve up three walkoffs before Ned came to that realization.

[Mama Hip Rockets]

Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat

The bullpen ERA is one of the best of the live ball era. You may not agree with his decisions but using it as a reason to fire him is stupid.

Yes, the bullpen ERA is great because of Holland, Hochevar, Chen, and the aforementioned, terribly-misused Coleman. Not because of Crow, Davies, and Herrera's performances in high-pressure situations. Pay attention.