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Old 02-27-2013, 12:45 PM  
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Old 10-30-2013, 12:52 PM   #7921
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8 weeks, and we are 16th in efficiency. Is it that hard to believe we might just be 10th in 4 weeks? 7th in 8 weeks? Don't think top 10-12 is good enough to propel KC into a SB?
Outside of major pieces coming back from injury, I'd be pretty surprised to see that offenses in the past have jumped from 16th to 7th in the last two months of the season, depending on the exact stat you're looking at.

My guess is that offenses are basically what they're going to be by then or even get figured out over time... but, even if they do improve, that's a huge jump statistically after 8 weeks (again, depending on the exact stat).
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Old 10-30-2013, 12:54 PM   #7922
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Slinging it down the field is now referred to as "Mike Vick style"?
Well, forgive me, I was thinking about our game in 2011. I think he put up over 400 yards and still lost.

Phillip Rivers last season? Interception machine.

Point: Any QB can sling it down the field all the time and put up lots of yards. Doing it with very few turnovers is restricted to a relatively small elite class of QB. You don't have one.

But he does get the job done.
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Old 10-30-2013, 12:55 PM   #7923
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In my opinion, what you have now is consistency. Conservative consistency. And you will probably have the good games when they are necessary. You will never have Aaron Rodgers throwing 30 to 40 or more TDs a season. If that's the kind of consistency you are waiting for, give it up, it ain't gonna happen.

I understand the frustration. Went through a season and a half of it myself. It's more fun to watch a game in which your offense is scoring lots of points, than a game in which you win by your D holding your opponent's score down. It's been great since CK took over, and 99% of Niners fans are happy about it.

On the other hand, the slinging it down the field all the time Mike Vick style and losing is much less fun. Or having incompetent coaching and sucking all around. No fun at all.

But 99% of us were about 1000% happier in 2011 and 2012 than we had been in the previous eight seasons.
I hate hyperbole.

I care about scoring points when needed and about the overwhelming evidence that great defenses still have to rely on their offense to at least occasionally put up 30+ points when they're going toe to toe with the best offenses in the league.
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Old 10-30-2013, 12:58 PM   #7924
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I hate hyperbole.

I care about scoring points when needed and about the overwhelming evidence that great defenses still have to rely on their offense to at least occasionally put up 30+ points when they're going toe to toe with the best offenses in the league.
You're right. We've been over this before. Divisional playoff game against the Saints. The Catch III. Occasionally.
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Old 10-30-2013, 12:58 PM   #7925
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Let me put it like this. He rarely missed Vernon Davis on any kind of pass and over the last 3 seasons as a 49er I don't think Vernon Davis ever missed a game or practice due to injury.
So how come Dree Bress lit it up without time to "gel"? How come Rivers inspite of the revolving door or WR's gels with them right off the bat? How come good QB's gel so quickly and medicore QB's take years to "gel"?

Warner with the Cards?

Gannon with Raiders?

Is it time to gel or is that Alice isn't a good QB?
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Old 10-30-2013, 12:59 PM   #7926
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I hate hyperbole.

I care about scoring points when needed and about the overwhelming evidence that great defenses still have to rely on their offense to at least occasionally put up 30+ points when they're going toe to toe with the best offenses in the league.

We are at a point where the question to ask is "Can our defense stop the top offenses?" Because that is the key question. If the answer to it is "Yes", then our offensive production COULD be sufficient for long term success. If the answer to that question is "No", we are in trouble.

Can our defense hold Denver under 45 points or whatever the **** they are scoring a game? Yeah, I think we can. But, can our defense keep them in the 14-24 point range?
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Old 10-30-2013, 01:00 PM   #7927
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I don't watch it, but the Pro Bowl must be horribly boring without all the gelling that is needed for an offense to work.
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Old 10-30-2013, 01:03 PM   #7928
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I don't watch it, but the Pro Bowl must be horribly boring without all the gelling that is needed for an offense to work.
The Pro Bowl is a glorified exhibition game. It's high scoring because the defense doesn't give a ****.
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Old 10-30-2013, 01:04 PM   #7929
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Right! I think he needs to look at Brees first year in New Orleans and how long it took for him to gel with the new team
Great! Let's just trade for Brees!
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Old 10-30-2013, 01:04 PM   #7930
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I don't watch it, but the Pro Bowl must be horribly boring without all the gelling that is needed for an offense to work.
Pretty much. I don't watch it either.
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Great! Let's just trade for Brees!
You're missing the point. Good QB's are good QB's off the bat, they don't 8 weeks to "gel".
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Old 10-30-2013, 01:09 PM   #7932
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The Pro Bowl is a glorified exhibition game. It's high scoring because the defense doesn't give a ****.
Clearly I was serious.
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Old 10-30-2013, 01:09 PM   #7933
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You're right. We've been over this before. Divisional playoff game against the Saints. The Catch III. Occasionally.
Yep, and when it was brought up 2 months ago, I said I'd like to see that more... a few times over 8 years with the 49ers doesn't really mean much right now. Like I said a little bit ago, any average quarterback can have a good or even great day.

Denver twice, Indy, at least one playoff game, maybe the Chargers or Redskins... no reason to keep saying he's capable of having a good game (when no one has been arguing that) when he'll surely have a couple of chances to prove himself in the 2nd half of the season.
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Old 10-30-2013, 01:15 PM   #7934
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We are at a point where the question to ask is "Can our defense stop the top offenses?" Because that is the key question. If the answer to it is "Yes", then our offensive production COULD be sufficient for long term success. If the answer to that question is "No", we are in trouble.

Can our defense hold Denver under 45 points or whatever the **** they are scoring a game? Yeah, I think we can. But, can our defense keep them in the 14-24 point range?
Yep, it takes a really damn good defense to make up for a mediocre offense, and maybe that's what the Chiefs have this season... they've certainly shown it up to this point, and given one game, I'd be pretty confident they could win a game against one of the top offenses... over the course of a post season though (whether it's this season, next, whatever) against the best QBs in the league each week, you really do need a once in a decade kind of defense.
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