Keep f***ing doubting Alex Smith

[Hammock Parties]

The title of the thread says it all....

**** you doubters. He plays with heart, and he continues to get the job done. You people who bash Alex, I don't even consider true fans. He plays his heart out every week, and you continue to bash him...

Keep bashing him, I'll keep backing him.

[duncan_idaho]

You know, it's possible to both 1) Enjoy the Chiefs' significant improvement as a team and 2) be skeptical/concerned/critical about the offense and its need to progress under Alex Smith (and its need to try to upgrade from Alex Smith if he doesn't improve and make more plays/guide a more successful offense).

[Rasputin]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

You know, it's possible to both 1) Enjoy the Chiefs' significant improvement as a team and 2) be skeptical/concerned/critical about the offense and its need to progress under Alex Smith (and its need to try to upgrade from Alex Smith if he doesn't improve and make more plays/guide a more successful offense).

This this this


I'm happy for all the success we get but I'm not going all homer when I know our offense needs to play better and that goes for Alex Smith and play calling. Dinking and dunking is not going win us a Championship.

[GOB]

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo

Dinking and dunking is not going win us a Championship.

I just don't agree with this. Dinking and dunking is the key to winning championships. It's not the 35 yard bomb that wins championships, it's teams unable to stop your short yardage attack. Saw this comment and totally agree

"Have any critics of Alex Smith, be they in the Niner fanbase or nationally, noted the fact that Joe Montana didn't push the ball vertically either? Niner fans who trashed and still trash Smith have a phenomenally selective memory when it comes to Montana's limitations as a QB. And if you think I'm exaggerating, check out Montana's stats from his greatest season (1989). A lower percentage of his completions that season traveled at least 20 yards than did that of Smith last year. Montana's leading receiver in '89? Fullback Tom Rathman. I'll bet my house and my third testicle that of Rathman's 73 grabs, not one was caught more than 20 yards downfield. I'll bet my one of my wife's testicles that not a single one traveled beyond 10 yards from the line of scrimmage. Yet, no one within the fanbase bitched or moaned about the fact that No. 16 dinked and dunked his way to 4 Super Bowls and the distinction of the greatest QB of his generation. While Smith wasn't Montana, he was evolving at the time of his concussion into a breathing embodiment of the West Coast quarterback that Bill Walsh and his system embraced. And the fans here—with nothing else to complain about Smith's game—rejected him, using the most prominent feature of the West Coast offense to further their criticism and abuse. Just shameful."

Lots of reasons for optimism. Not only is Smith perfect for Coac's offense, Jamaal Charles is as well. His full skills are finally being utilized. This is all without tight ends at full health,

[Three7s]

Originally Posted by GOB

I just don't agree with this. Dinking and dunking is the key to winning championships. It's not the 35 yard bomb that wins championships, it's teams unable to stop your short yardage attack. Saw this comment and totally agree

"Have any critics of Alex Smith, be they in the Niner fanbase or nationally, noted the fact that Joe Montana didn't push the ball vertically either? Niner fans who trashed and still trash Smith have a phenomenally selective memory when it comes to Montana's limitations as a QB. And if you think I'm exaggerating, check out Montana's stats from his greatest season (1989). A lower percentage of his completions that season traveled at least 20 yards than did that of Smith last year. Montana's leading receiver in '89? Fullback Tom Rathman. I'll bet my house and my third testicle that of Rathman's 73 grabs, not one was caught more than 20 yards downfield. I'll bet my one of my wife's testicles that not a single one traveled beyond 10 yards from the line of scrimmage. Yet, no one within the fanbase bitched or moaned about the fact that No. 16 dinked and dunked his way to 4 Super Bowls and the distinction of the greatest QB of his generation. While Smith wasn't Montana, he was evolving at the time of his concussion into a breathing embodiment of the West Coast quarterback that Bill Walsh and his system embraced. And the fans here—with nothing else to complain about Smith's game—rejected him, using the most prominent feature of the West Coast offense to further their criticism and abuse. Just shameful."

Lots of reasons for optimism. Not only is Smith perfect for Coac's offense, Jamaal Charles is as well. His full skills are finally being utilized. This is all without tight ends at full health,

Not just Montana, but when was the last time Tom Brady won it all? When his offense was more dink and dunk than anything. You rarely saw him go beyond 20 yards before 2007.

[bshmerlie]

Yes...but how often did Jerry Rice take those five yard slants to the house? It would be nice if we had a receiver like that. But finding another "greatest receiver of all time" might be difficult.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Three7s

Not just Montana, but when was the last time Tom Brady won it all? When his offense was more dink and dunk than anything. You rarely saw him go beyond 20 yards before 2007.

Not accurate.

Brady threw 20+ yards an average of 63 times/year in the 5 seasons before 2007, with a high of 76 times.

Since 2007, excluding his Bernard Pollard-shortened 2008, he threw 20+ yards an average of 60 times/year, with a high of 69 times. He threw 20+ yards 68 times in 2012.

Brady has remained pretty steady in terms of stretching the field, with a slight DECREASE as he has aged.

And his rate of "stretch" throws is nearly twice that of the remade Alex Smith, who threw 20+ yards 36 times in 2011 and was on pace to do it 34 times a year ago.

So far this season, Smith had gone 20+ yards just 3 times through week 2 (week 3 is not incorporated into split stats yet, anywhere I can find). That's pretty much on pace with his recent averages.

[duncan_idaho]

According to play-by-play charts, Alex Smith threw deep 2 times in the game against Philly, giving him a total of 5 20+ yard throws in 3 games.

That puts him on pace to throw about 27 20+ yard passes this season.

[GOB]

I just found it encouraging that Montana's #1 target was Rathman. Haivng a reliable outlet is half the game. And I seriously love the JC/Smith combo.

JC is just freaking amazing. I really think he's the most complete back in football. Amazing runner, amazing catcher.

[Sandy Vagina]

The Chiefs have to get their OL pass pro fixed up before there's any chance of Smith and Reid feeling good about pitching up the deep ones. They may never really throw deep ones, but they damn sure are not going to if the OL continues as is.

[GOB]

Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

The Chiefs have to get their OL pass pro fixed up before there's any chance of Smith and Reid feeling good about pitching up the deep ones. They may never really throw deep ones, but they damn sure are not going to if the OL continues as is.

QFT. Waiting for the long bomb is a good way to end up in the hospital at this point. It's going to take time for the line to gel.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

According to play-by-play charts, Alex Smith threw deep 2 times in the game against Philly, giving him a total of 5 20+ yard throws in 3 games.

That puts him on pace to throw about 27 20+ yard passes this season.

[Three7s]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Not accurate.

Brady threw 20+ yards an average of 63 times/year in the 5 seasons before 2007, with a high of 76 times.

Since 2007, excluding his Bernard Pollard-shortened 2008, he threw 20+ yards an average of 60 times/year, with a high of 69 times. He threw 20+ yards 68 times in 2012.

Brady has remained pretty steady in terms of stretching the field, with a slight DECREASE as he has aged.

And his rate of "stretch" throws is nearly twice that of the remade Alex Smith, who threw 20+ yards 36 times in 2011 and was on pace to do it 34 times a year ago.

So far this season, Smith had gone 20+ yards just 3 times through week 2 (week 3 is not incorporated into split stats yet, anywhere I can find). That's pretty much on pace with his recent averages.

Hmm, well in 2001, I don't recall him going downfield much at all. Maybe later on, but I'm just trying to point out that as long as you're deadly accurate, you don't HAVE to push it downfield.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by GOB

QFT. Waiting for the long bomb is a good way to end up in the hospital at this point. It's going to take time for the line to gel.

The line is fine.

For the most part Fish is getting face raped.

One thought is to RUN THE ****ING BALL MORE and allow him to PA deep...

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by SNR

Even you, Saccopoo, sworn to defend and electronically fellate any and all players from Utah,

rep.

Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

The Chiefs have to get their OL pass pro fixed up before there's any chance of Smith and Reid feeling good about pitching up the deep ones. They may never really throw deep ones, but they damn sure are not going to if the OL continues as is.

Yeah, if we can get that sustained pocket up to a 10 second median, we'll be unleashing that dragon all day long.

[GOB]

Originally Posted by bshmerlie

Yes...but how often did Jerry Rice take those five yard slants to the house? It would be nice if we had a receiver like that. But finding another "greatest receiver of all time" might be difficult.

lol. true enough.

I feel like a lot of these discussions ultimately come down to this. We all wish the offense played a certain way but we have the personnel we have. So you have to build around that and not what you want in your head.

I think we've good deep threat capability but it's not a weapon you can use until the Oline issues are addressed. I think this is mainly time under the new system and I'm fully confident it will improve. Looking forward to what this offense can do then. We really have nice pieces