Chiefs Yahoo.com Draft Grades - Page 2

**BigMeatballDave** · 11:12 AM

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Denver Broncos
Picks: LB Von Miller, S Rahim Moore, OT Orlando Franklin, LB Nate Irving, S Quinton Carter, TE Julius Thomas, LB Mike Mohamed, TE Virgil Green, DL Jeremy Beal.
Grade: B
Analysis: A good rule of thumb in the NFL (and pretty much in just about any sport) is take the bigger guy first. The Broncos went against that theory by selecting Miller over Dareus. That said, Miller is the kind of disruptive, pass-rushing force who could be a perennial Pro Bowler. He is explosive and has a great personality, ingredients for becoming a great player and leader. The rest of the draft was very wise. In particular, getting Moore to rejuvenate an ancient secondary was critical (plus backing up that pick with Carter in the fourth round). Throw in the selections of Franklin and Irving and you have a draft that could easily feature four or five starters. That’s exactly what the Broncos had to get in this draft.

Kansas City Chiefs
Picks: WR Jonathan Baldwin, C Rodney Hudson, LB Justin Houston(notes), DE Allen Bailey(notes), CB Jalil Brown, QB Ricky Stanzi, LB Gabe Miller, DT Jerrell Powe, FB Shane Bannon.
Grade: B-
Analysis: The Chiefs moved back six spots in the first round and still got an offensive weapon who may start right away in Baldwin. The 6-foot-5 Baldwin is a beast and gives the team a great complement to Dwayne Bowe. However, like Bowe, Baldwin can be a bit of a head case. For instance, he had the gall to complain that the Pitt coaching staff was not throwing to him very much because they wanted to hurt his draft stock. Second-rounder Hudson should start this year or next depending on what happens with Casey Wiegmann. Third-round picks OLB Justin Houston and DE Allen Bailey could easily become starters as rookies. Neither figures to ever be great, but both should be solid starters.

Oakland Raiders
Picks: C Stefen Wisniewski, CB Demarcus Van Dyke , OL Joseph Barksdale, CB Chimdi Chekwa, RB Taiwan Jones, WR Denarius Moore, TE Richard Gordon, WR David Ausberry .
Grade: B+
Analysis: The Raiders get credit for getting DL Richard Seymour two seasons ago with the first-round pick they gave up from this year. Seymour has turned out to be a fine acquisition, even if he’s getting long in the tooth. Starting there, this draft simply reeks of Raiderdom, starting with the selection of Wisniewski in the second round. The latest Wiz will not only play for his uncle, former Raider great Steve Wisniewski, but will probably start from Day 1 because starter Samson Satele just wasn’t that good the past two years. From there, the Raiders basically drafted a 4 x 100 relay team with Van Dyke, Chekwa, Jones and Moore. The Raiders are nothing if not consistent.

San Diego Chargers
Picks: DT Corey Liuget, CB Marcus Gilchrist, LB Jonas Mouton, WR Vincent Brown, CB Shareece Wright, RB Jordan Todman, OL Steven Schilling, LB Andrew Gachkar.
Grade: B
Analysis: As you can tell, this draft screams defense as four of the top five picks (all in the first three rounds) were on that side of the ball. That started with Liuget at No. 18 overall. Liuget may not be the most dynamic lineman out there, but he’s solid across the board and could play any spot in San Diego’s three-man front. From there, the selection of Gilchrist (who can also line up at cornerback) and Wright restore some much-needed depth in the secondary. Mouton has more than a few detractors, many who say he’s just not that tough, but he’s a very good athlete who is learning to play in the front seven.

NO WAY is the Chiefs draft the least of this division.

**RealSNR** · 05-03-2011, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

7 of the Broncos' 9 picks are at TE, S, and LB. That reeks of a GM who's neeeeeiiiiggghver done a draft before.

FYP

milkman · 05-03-2011, 11:21 AM

The thing I find interesting is that as the draft was in progress, the analysts kept questioning the picks of teh Donkeys and Chargers, and actually thought most of the Chiefs picks at the time made sense.

But the grades come out after the fact, and it's like these guys said exactly the opposite of what was being said during the draft.

MIAdragon · 05-03-2011, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

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ModSocks · 05-03-2011, 11:27 AM

Wow. Worst draft grades ever. Oakland had the best draft? GTFOH with that shit. And I love how Baldwin and Houston are pegged as bad guys.

Baldwin made one ****ing comment and now he's a head case? The media acts like he rapes babies or something.

Quesadilla Joe · 05-03-2011, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

The Von Miller pick by the Broncos is a great pick..........if they still ran the 3-4. I swear that the people that grade these drafts aren't taking that into consideration. They're going to basically strip him of his strengths for the first two downs.

When you feel that a player is the best pass rusher that you have evaluated in the past 15 years (which is exactly what Brian Xanders said) you take him. Teams are spreading people out more and more and you are in your nickle package a lot nowadays.

Denver can do so much with Von Miller and Dumervil. They are going to use multiple looks and at times they will have Miller, Dumervil, and Ayers all standing up and teams will have no idea where they are coming from. Remember Dennis Allen is a Greg Williams protege and believes in an extremely aggressive blitz heavy defense,Von Miller is a a perfect chess piece for that style of a defense. Denver is not going to run a traditional 4-3 defense like Herm.

**notorious** · 05-03-2011, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

Wow. Worst draft grades ever. Oakland had the best draft? GTFOH with that shit. And I love how Baldwin and Houston are pegged as bad guys.

Baldwin made one ****ing comment and now he's a head case? The media acts like he rapes babies or something.

He also choked his QB for telling him to focus.

eazyb81 · 05-03-2011, 11:34 AM

The Chargers had arguably the worst draft in the league.

Rooster · 05-03-2011, 11:34 AM

I don't put a lot of stock in draft grades unless they are saying nice things about the Chiefs.

eazyb81 · 05-03-2011, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

Baldwin made one ****ing comment and now he's a head case? The media acts like he rapes babies or something.

And how dare anyone question the greatness of Dave Wannstedt.

Everyone knows he has been a huge success at every head coaching stop in his career.

**notorious** · 05-03-2011, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Rooster

I don't put a lot of stock in draft grades unless they are saying nice things about the Chiefs.

Thats the truth for everyone here.

milkman · 05-03-2011, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo

When you feel that a player is the best pass rusher that you have evaluated in the past 15 years (which is exactly what Brian Xanders said) you take him. Teams are spreading people out more and more and you are in your nickle package a lot nowadays.

Denver can do so much with Von Miller and Dumervil. They are going to use multiple looks and at times they will have Miller, Dumervil, and Ayers all standing up and teams will have no idea where they are coming from. Remember Dennis Allen is a Greg Williams protege and believes in an extremely aggressive blitz heavy defense,Von Miller is a a perfect chess piece for that style of a defense. Denver is not going to run a traditional 4-3 defense like Herm.

Blitz packages only work if you have an offense in passing situations, and since the Donkeys won't be able to stop anyone from running on them, they won't find themselves in those situations very often.

**RealSNR** · 05-03-2011, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81

The Chargers had arguably the worst draft in the league.

I think Yahoo is simply looking at the number of defensive picks they took, then examined why that team fell apart at the end of the year and said, "Yep. Filled all the needs. Great draft!"

They didn't consider, obviously, that guys like Mouton were shitty shitty shitty shitty shitty value. Reminds me of the Kawicka Mitchell pick we had a few years ago. And their draft is ****ing full of assholes like this

keg in kc · 05-03-2011, 11:39 AM

The comment about Houston never being great is an odd one. Before the MJ test, most national mocks were talking mid-teens to early-twenties first round for him, and a few were talking like he wasn't all that far behind Von Miller and that he might go top 10.

As far as Miller, I'm sure he'll be great, but I will always question whether a d-tackle there would have been a better move. You can't be weak up the middle (as we in KC know extremely well...).

I didn't like the Chargers draft very much, but the Raiders' was a joke. They drafted almost exclusively speed, and rounds ahead of where guys should have gone.

But the worst draft...Seattle.

**Dave Lane** · 05-03-2011, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

7 of the Broncos' 9 picks are at TE, S, and LB. That reeks of a GM who's never done a draft before.

Holy **** that is utterly appalling

Quesadilla Joe · 05-03-2011, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Blitz packages only work if you have an offense in passing situations, and since the Donkeys won't be able to stop anyone from running on them, they won't find themselves in those situations very often.

We weren't very good at stopping the run in 2009 either and Dumervil wound up leading the league in sacks.

05-03-2011, 11:06 AM
BigMeatballDave GBM 8-12-15 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Dayton, Oh. Casino cash: $10052154	Yahoo.com Draft Grades http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slu..._grades_050111 Bite me, if repost Denver Broncos Picks: LB Von Miller, S Rahim Moore, OT Orlando Franklin, LB Nate Irving, S Quinton Carter, TE Julius Thomas, LB Mike Mohamed, TE Virgil Green, DL Jeremy Beal. Grade: B Analysis: A good rule of thumb in the NFL (and pretty much in just about any sport) is take the bigger guy first. The Broncos went against that theory by selecting Miller over Dareus. That said, Miller is the kind of disruptive, pass-rushing force who could be a perennial Pro Bowler. He is explosive and has a great personality, ingredients for becoming a great player and leader. The rest of the draft was very wise. In particular, getting Moore to rejuvenate an ancient secondary was critical (plus backing up that pick with Carter in the fourth round). Throw in the selections of Franklin and Irving and you have a draft that could easily feature four or five starters. That’s exactly what the Broncos had to get in this draft. Kansas City Chiefs Picks: WR Jonathan Baldwin, C Rodney Hudson, LB Justin Houston(notes), DE Allen Bailey(notes), CB Jalil Brown, QB Ricky Stanzi, LB Gabe Miller, DT Jerrell Powe, FB Shane Bannon. Grade: B- Analysis: The Chiefs moved back six spots in the first round and still got an offensive weapon who may start right away in Baldwin. The 6-foot-5 Baldwin is a beast and gives the team a great complement to Dwayne Bowe. However, like Bowe, Baldwin can be a bit of a head case. For instance, he had the gall to complain that the Pitt coaching staff was not throwing to him very much because they wanted to hurt his draft stock. Second-rounder Hudson should start this year or next depending on what happens with Casey Wiegmann. Third-round picks OLB Justin Houston and DE Allen Bailey could easily become starters as rookies. Neither figures to ever be great, but both should be solid starters. Oakland Raiders Picks: C Stefen Wisniewski, CB Demarcus Van Dyke , OL Joseph Barksdale, CB Chimdi Chekwa, RB Taiwan Jones, WR Denarius Moore, TE Richard Gordon, WR David Ausberry . Grade: B+ Analysis: The Raiders get credit for getting DL Richard Seymour two seasons ago with the first-round pick they gave up from this year. Seymour has turned out to be a fine acquisition, even if he’s getting long in the tooth. Starting there, this draft simply reeks of Raiderdom, starting with the selection of Wisniewski in the second round. The latest Wiz will not only play for his uncle, former Raider great Steve Wisniewski, but will probably start from Day 1 because starter Samson Satele just wasn’t that good the past two years. From there, the Raiders basically drafted a 4 x 100 relay team with Van Dyke, Chekwa, Jones and Moore. The Raiders are nothing if not consistent. San Diego Chargers Picks: DT Corey Liuget, CB Marcus Gilchrist, LB Jonas Mouton, WR Vincent Brown, CB Shareece Wright, RB Jordan Todman, OL Steven Schilling, LB Andrew Gachkar. Grade: B Analysis: As you can tell, this draft screams defense as four of the top five picks (all in the first three rounds) were on that side of the ball. That started with Liuget at No. 18 overall. Liuget may not be the most dynamic lineman out there, but he’s solid across the board and could play any spot in San Diego’s three-man front. From there, the selection of Gilchrist (who can also line up at cornerback) and Wright restore some much-needed depth in the secondary. Mouton has more than a few detractors, many who say he’s just not that tough, but he’s a very good athlete who is learning to play in the front seven. NO WAY is the Chiefs draft the least of this division. Last edited by BigMeatballDave; 05-03-2011 at 11:12 AM..
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05-03-2011, 11:21 AM	#17
milkman Dumbass! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Leading the Marty bashing Casino cash: $10029395	The thing I find interesting is that as the draft was in progress, the analysts kept questioning the picks of teh Donkeys and Chargers, and actually thought most of the Chiefs picks at the time made sense. But the grades come out after the fact, and it's like these guys said exactly the opposite of what was being said during the draft. __________________
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05-03-2011, 11:27 AM	#19
ModSocks Needs more middle fingers Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego Casino cash: $4284563	Wow. Worst draft grades ever. Oakland had the best draft? GTFOH with that shit. And I love how Baldwin and Houston are pegged as bad guys. Baldwin made one ****ing comment and now he's a head case? The media acts like he rapes babies or something. __________________ Life is like a dick. Sometimes it gets hard for no reason, but it can't stay hard forever.
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eazyb81 The Illuminati Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: the road less traveled Casino cash: $10004900	The Chargers had arguably the worst draft in the league.
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05-03-2011, 11:39 AM	#28
keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	The comment about Houston never being great is an odd one. Before the MJ test, most national mocks were talking mid-teens to early-twenties first round for him, and a few were talking like he wasn't all that far behind Von Miller and that he might go top 10. As far as Miller, I'm sure he'll be great, but I will always question whether a d-tackle there would have been a better move. You can't be weak up the middle (as we in KC know extremely well...). I didn't like the Chargers draft very much, but the Raiders' was a joke. They drafted almost exclusively speed, and rounds ahead of where guys should have gone. But the worst draft...Seattle.
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