King Carl's Drafting Success. The Planet Decides. - Page 2

**BigRedChief** · 03-19-2005, 07:18 AM

Stolen from the chiefscoalition site and nychiefsfan.

You don't have to break it down like I did, but I was curious about our overall success, or lack of it, regarding our drafts. Overall, CP did better than what I thought (I thought it'd be a grade of "D"). He didn't do much better, but better...
I assigned a letter grade to each year, then added the letter grade's point value and divided it by 16 (# of years CP's drafted for us). My overall total average for CP was 2.01875, which is a "C". I tried to be as fair as possible.
If anyone gets really bored, use the following GPA scoring system to grade the overall draft:
A = 4.0
A- = 3.7
B+ = 3.3
B = 3.0
B- = 2.7
C+ = 2.3 . . .
C = 2.0
C- = 1.7
D+ = 1.3
D = 1.0
E = 0
King Ego's 1st three rounds selections since he took over:
1989
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 4 Derrick Thomas DE Alabama
2 32 Mike Elkins QB Wake Forest
3 60 Nasrallah Worthen WR North Carolina State
GRADE:A-
If the only person CP drafted in '89 was DT, he would get an A, but he wasted the two following picks on losers. Props to getting DT.
1990
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 13 Percy Snow ILB Michigan State
2 40 Tim Grunhard C Notre Dame
4 96 Fred Jones WR Grambling
GRADE:C- With the 13th overall pick, we get Percy Snow??? :blink: Great move CP :angry: Grunny was a very good selection, so props on getting him.
1991
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 21 Harvey Williams RB Louisiana State
2 50 Joe Valerio G Pennsylvania
3 77 Tim Barnett WR Jackson State
GRADE: D
1992
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 20 Dale Carter CB Tennessee
2 40 Matt Blundin QB Virginia
GRADE: A- Carter was an awesome selection, but then we got Blundin

1993
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
3 74 Will Shields G Nebraska
GRADE: A Shields has been a superstar for us. Props to CP

1994
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 25 Greg Hill RB Texas A&M
2 58 Donnell Bennett FB Miami
3 92 Lake Dawson WR Notre Dame
3 96 Chris Penn WR Tulsa
GRADE: D
1995
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 31 Trezelle Jenkins T Michigan
3 81 Tamarick Vanover WR Florida State
3 97 Troy Dumas LB Nebraska
GRADE D: Vanover was a good KR/PR, that's it.
1996
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 28 Jerome Woods FS Memphis
2 58 Reggie Tongue SS Oregon State
3 68 John Browning NT West Virginia
GRADE B: Woods and Tongue were arguable CP's best 1st 2 picks up to this point.
1997
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 13 Tony Gonzalez TE California
2 47 Kevin Lockett WR Kansas State
GRADE: A- Gonzo was a great selection. Lockett: not-so-great
1998
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 27 Victor Riley T Auburn
3 88 Rashaan Shehee RB Washington
GRADE: D Riley was mediocre, at best. Shehee was a joke.
1999
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 14 John Tait T Brigham Young
2 54 Michael Cloud RB Boston College
3 75 Gary Stills DE West Virginia
GRADE C+: Remember reading about CP swearing at Tait during negotiations...and Tait's a Mormon. Dumbass. Stills is a great ST player.
2000
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 21 Sylvester Morris WR Jackson State
2 54 William Bartee CB Oklahoma
3 85 Greg Wesley SS Arkansas-Pine Bluff
GRADE: D It would have been an F is they didn't draft Wesley, but if you look at what a waste the 1st 2 picks are, it would arguably be an F.
2001
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
3 75 Eric Downing DT Syracuse
3 77 Marvin Minnis WR Florida State
GRADE F Downing is about as worthless as Sims. Minnis??

2002
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 6 Ryan Sims DT North Carolina
2 43 Eddie Freeman DE Ala.-Birmingham
GRADE: F- I wish there was a lower grade than F- :hmmmmmmm:
2003
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 27 Larry Johnson RB Penn State
2 47 Kawika Mitchell MLB South Florida
3 92 Julian Battle CB Tennessee
GRADE B Priest's questionable hip saved CP this year. Mitchell and Battle havent blossomed into the players we hoped.
2004
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
2 36 Junior Siavii NT Oregon
2 61 Kris Wilson TE Pittsburgh
3 93 Keyaron Fox OLB Georgia Tech
GRADE C+: Siavii is still raw. Wilson might be a great player, but we really needed D on this pick. Fox was rarely used outside of ST.

KCWolfman · 03-19-2005, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SideWinder

I was excited about the Snow pick.
I thought he was going to be a stud in the NFL.

I bet he would have been.

el borracho · 03-19-2005, 02:51 PM

I'd probably give Carl a C.

Obviously he is not as astute as Pioli has been the last few years but he doesn't even come close to the ineptness of Beathard in his San Diego days.

**J Diddy** · 03-19-2005, 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by el borracho

I'd probably give Carl a C.

Obviously he is not as astute as Pioli has been the last few years but he doesn't even come close to the ineptness of Beathard in his San Diego days.

I would have to agree, however I'm ready for him to pick someone who can help immediately.

Projects are good if you've got one or 2 on your roster, but when the majority of your d is constructed of them then you have problems.

Logical · 03-19-2005, 05:30 PM

In the the first round you should hit 50% so Carl gets an F for that round Carl is far far below that.

Hitting only around 10% in the second round for actual quality players another F.

He might get a D for all other rounds combined.

So I gave him an F.

Logical · 03-19-2005, 05:37 PM

Clearly with 28 out of 43 at D or lower Carl is considered a failure by Chiefs Planet in the draft arena.

KCWolfman · 03-19-2005, 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav

In the the first round you should hit 50% so Carl gets an F for that round Carl is far far below that.

Hitting only around 10% in the second round for actual quality players another F.

He might get a D for all other rounds combined.

So I gave him an F.

Jim, I bet you are hard pressed to find any team who has consistently drafted 10th or worse and have 50% of their first rounders as impact players today.

keg in kc · 03-19-2005, 06:01 PM

Abysmal failure.

Successful teams are built on a foundation, a core, of solid, productive drafted talent. And we just don't have that. We've been forced to attempt to build a team via free agency and trades for the last five years because our drafts over the last seven-ten years have been utterly unproductive, regardless of round.

whoman69 · 03-19-2005, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by el borracho

I'd probably give Carl a C.

Obviously he is not as astute as Pioli has been the last few years but he doesn't even come close to the ineptness of Beathard in his San Diego days.

They went to the SB when Beathard was GM. He catches alot of unfair flak for Ryan Leaf.

BigChiefFan · 03-19-2005, 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Abysmal failure.

Successful teams are built on a foundation, a core, of solid, productive drafted talent. And we just don't have that. We've been forced to attempt to build a team via free agency and trades for the last five years because our drafts over the last seven-ten years have been utterly unproductive, regardless of round.

Unfortunately for us carl was just REWARDED with a big , new 4 year contract. His GM job has been terrible and I can't believe they signed him again, guess that proves that making money is more important than delivering Super Bowls. The bar has been set low so, I don't expect anything great this upcoming season. I've all but given up.

BoroChief · 03-19-2005, 06:15 PM

I pretty much agree that except for the few bright spots i.e. DT, Gonzo and very few others CP's drafting skills suck. A lot of the names on the draft list reside in the where are they now file for their utter failure to live up to the hype the media had placed on them. I forgot about the Matt Blundin pick. He sucked when he played at UVA and I didn't see enough in him to be able to transition into the nfl. Still lmao over that one. Realize I'm a huge UVA fan and I was glad for Blundin at the time, but I didn't see him making it in the NFL.

Logical · 03-19-2005, 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCWolfman

Jim, I bet you are hard pressed to find any team who has consistently drafted 10th or worse and have 50% of their first rounders as impact players today.

Russ the statistic of 50% of all first rounders being successful starters came from an Analyst on NFL Total Access on the NFL network.

Logical · 03-19-2005, 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

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2003
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 27 Larry Johnson RB Penn State
2 47 Kawika Mitchell MLB South Florida
3 92 Julian Battle CB Tennessee
GRADE B Priest's questionable hip saved CP this year. Mitchell and Battle havent blossomed into the players we hoped.
2004
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
2 36 Junior Siavii NT Oregon
2 61 Kris Wilson TE Pittsburgh
3 93 Keyaron Fox OLB Georgia Tech
GRADE C+: Siavii is still raw. Wilson might be a great player, but we really needed D on this pick. Fox was rarely used outside of ST.

My god you are an easy grade, No way 2003 can ever be higher than a C given Mitchell and Battle are dismal failures and we desperately needed Defense in the first round and went offense.

Then you give a C+ for what is clearly at best an Incomplete, if you grade on last season only it is a clear F.

Well at least overall you gave them a D

el borracho · 03-20-2005, 03:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whoman69

They went to the SB when Beathard was GM. He catches alot of unfair flak for Ryan Leaf.

Yes, the Chargers went to the Superbowl- the game was over before the end of the first quarter.

Ryan Leaf isn't the reason I would give Beathard an F. I give Beathard an F for trading future 1st round picks for current 2nd round picks. It was insane.

Redcoats58 · 03-20-2005, 05:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav

My god you are an easy grade, No way 2003 can ever be higher than a C given Mitchell and Battle are dismal failures and we desperately needed Defense in the first round and went offense.

Then you give a C+ for what is clearly at best an Incomplete, if you grade on last season only it is a clear F.

Well at least overall you gave them a D

I don't think you can say that Mitchell and Battle are dismal failures. They haven't had enough playing time to be failures yet. Most players don't hit stride until their third year. If they are still playing poorly at the end of this season then I will agree they are dimal failures, until then give them a chance.

CrazyHorse · 03-20-2005, 06:25 AM

It's difficult to say what grade I would give CP for drafting. I believe that he has been someone who generally lets the coaches pick the players they want.

I believe he has the last say. For example, it's no secret that Johnson was his pick. But that was the exception, not the rule. It was fairly obvious by the way DV recieved the decision.

But of course, if this is a linch mob thread for Peterson, I appologize if I have injected some logic into the debate.

Carry on.

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03-19-2005, 07:18 AM
BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $3159627 VARSITY	King Carl's Drafting Success. The Planet Decides. Stolen from the chiefscoalition site and nychiefsfan. You don't have to break it down like I did, but I was curious about our overall success, or lack of it, regarding our drafts. Overall, CP did better than what I thought (I thought it'd be a grade of "D"). He didn't do much better, but better... I assigned a letter grade to each year, then added the letter grade's point value and divided it by 16 (# of years CP's drafted for us). My overall total average for CP was 2.01875, which is a "C". I tried to be as fair as possible. If anyone gets really bored, use the following GPA scoring system to grade the overall draft: A = 4.0 A- = 3.7 B+ = 3.3 B = 3.0 B- = 2.7 C+ = 2.3 . . . C = 2.0 C- = 1.7 D+ = 1.3 D = 1.0 E = 0 King Ego's 1st three rounds selections since he took over: 1989 Rd Sel# Player Pos. School 1 4 Derrick Thomas DE Alabama 2 32 Mike Elkins QB Wake Forest 3 60 Nasrallah Worthen WR North Carolina State GRADE:A- If the only person CP drafted in '89 was DT, he would get an A, but he wasted the two following picks on losers. Props to getting DT. 1990 Rd Sel# Player Pos. School 1 13 Percy Snow ILB Michigan State 2 40 Tim Grunhard C Notre Dame 4 96 Fred Jones WR Grambling GRADE:C- With the 13th overall pick, we get Percy Snow??? :blink: Great move CP :angry: Grunny was a very good selection, so props on getting him. 1991 Rd Sel# Player Pos. School 1 21 Harvey Williams RB Louisiana State 2 50 Joe Valerio G Pennsylvania 3 77 Tim Barnett WR Jackson State GRADE: D 1992 Rd Sel# Player Pos. School 1 20 Dale Carter CB Tennessee 2 40 Matt Blundin QB Virginia GRADE: A- Carter was an awesome selection, but then we got Blundin 1993 Rd Sel# Player Pos. School 3 74 Will Shields G Nebraska GRADE: A Shields has been a superstar for us. Props to CP 1994 Rd Sel# Player Pos. School 1 25 Greg Hill RB Texas A&M 2 58 Donnell Bennett FB Miami 3 92 Lake Dawson WR Notre Dame 3 96 Chris Penn WR Tulsa GRADE: D 1995 Rd Sel# Player Pos. School 1 31 Trezelle Jenkins T Michigan 3 81 Tamarick Vanover WR Florida State 3 97 Troy Dumas LB Nebraska GRADE D: Vanover was a good KR/PR, that's it. 1996 Rd Sel# Player Pos. School 1 28 Jerome Woods FS Memphis 2 58 Reggie Tongue SS Oregon State 3 68 John Browning NT West Virginia GRADE B: Woods and Tongue were arguable CP's best 1st 2 picks up to this point. 1997 Rd Sel# Player Pos. School 1 13 Tony Gonzalez TE California 2 47 Kevin Lockett WR Kansas State GRADE: A- Gonzo was a great selection. Lockett: not-so-great 1998 Rd Sel# Player Pos. School 1 27 Victor Riley T Auburn 3 88 Rashaan Shehee RB Washington GRADE: D Riley was mediocre, at best. Shehee was a joke. 1999 Rd Sel# Player Pos. School 1 14 John Tait T Brigham Young 2 54 Michael Cloud RB Boston College 3 75 Gary Stills DE West Virginia GRADE C+: Remember reading about CP swearing at Tait during negotiations...and Tait's a Mormon. Dumbass. Stills is a great ST player. 2000 Rd Sel# Player Pos. School 1 21 Sylvester Morris WR Jackson State 2 54 William Bartee CB Oklahoma 3 85 Greg Wesley SS Arkansas-Pine Bluff GRADE: D It would have been an F is they didn't draft Wesley, but if you look at what a waste the 1st 2 picks are, it would arguably be an F. 2001 Rd Sel# Player Pos. School 3 75 Eric Downing DT Syracuse 3 77 Marvin Minnis WR Florida State GRADE F Downing is about as worthless as Sims. Minnis?? 2002 Rd Sel# Player Pos. School 1 6 Ryan Sims DT North Carolina 2 43 Eddie Freeman DE Ala.-Birmingham GRADE: F- I wish there was a lower grade than F- :hmmmmmmm: 2003 Rd Sel# Player Pos. School 1 27 Larry Johnson RB Penn State 2 47 Kawika Mitchell MLB South Florida 3 92 Julian Battle CB Tennessee GRADE B Priest's questionable hip saved CP this year. Mitchell and Battle havent blossomed into the players we hoped. 2004 Rd Sel# Player Pos. School 2 36 Junior Siavii NT Oregon 2 61 Kris Wilson TE Pittsburgh 3 93 Keyaron Fox OLB Georgia Tech GRADE C+: Siavii is still raw. Wilson might be a great player, but we really needed D on this pick. Fox was rarely used outside of ST.
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03-19-2005, 02:51 PM	#17
el borracho In Pat We Trust Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Albuquerque, NM Casino cash: $6399148	I'd probably give Carl a C. Obviously he is not as astute as Pioli has been the last few years but he doesn't even come close to the ineptness of Beathard in his San Diego days.
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03-19-2005, 05:30 PM	#19
Logical Screw U if U can't take a joke Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	In the the first round you should hit 50% so Carl gets an F for that round Carl is far far below that. Hitting only around 10% in the second round for actual quality players another F. He might get a D for all other rounds combined. So I gave him an F.
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03-19-2005, 05:37 PM	#20
Logical Screw U if U can't take a joke Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	Clearly with 28 out of 43 at D or lower Carl is considered a failure by Chiefs Planet in the draft arena.
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03-19-2005, 06:01 PM	#22
keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	Abysmal failure. Successful teams are built on a foundation, a core, of solid, productive drafted talent. And we just don't have that. We've been forced to attempt to build a team via free agency and trades for the last five years because our drafts over the last seven-ten years have been utterly unproductive, regardless of round.
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03-19-2005, 06:15 PM	#25
BoroChief Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Virginia Casino cash: $10004900	I pretty much agree that except for the few bright spots i.e. DT, Gonzo and very few others CP's drafting skills suck. A lot of the names on the draft list reside in the where are they now file for their utter failure to live up to the hype the media had placed on them. I forgot about the Matt Blundin pick. He sucked when he played at UVA and I didn't see enough in him to be able to transition into the nfl. Still lmao over that one. Realize I'm a huge UVA fan and I was glad for Blundin at the time, but I didn't see him making it in the NFL.
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03-20-2005, 06:25 AM	#30
CrazyHorse All Motor! Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	It's difficult to say what grade I would give CP for drafting. I believe that he has been someone who generally lets the coaches pick the players they want. I believe he has the last say. For example, it's no secret that Johnson was his pick. But that was the exception, not the rule. It was fairly obvious by the way DV recieved the decision. But of course, if this is a linch mob thread for Peterson, I appologize if I have injected some logic into the debate. Carry on.
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