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Braincase · 09-03-2008, 09:50 PM

I had a late coaches meeting, recording the whole pilot episode on FX later.

Katipan · 12-04-2014, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Mav

I could see the accident side, but why would abel kill by design?

What did jax do to him to make him want to do that?

I don't know what the psychopath is going to think, but you know whats funny about that comment?

A lot.

Remember the wife of the prison guard he killed for no better reason than the fact that she was there?

**** Jax.

raybec 4 · 12-04-2014, 02:42 PM

Maybe Wendy just gave Jax the Ebola/AIDS

**Mav** · 12-04-2014, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Katipan

I don't know what the psychopath is going to think, but you know whats funny about that comment?

A lot.

Remember the wife of the prison guard he killed for no better reason than the fact that she was there?

**** Jax.

I had forgotten about that. Yes, Jax is as guilty as anyone. You are honestly the first person I have seen to hate Jax this much. He is not my fave by any means, my fave was Opie, then Nero, and probably Tig because hes deranged and his explanation about why he needed lube to bang his fathers aid is still one of the funniest things I have ever heard.

But, I can see how you feel that way.

Katipan · 12-04-2014, 02:54 PM

No, no hatred. No emotional investment. Lots of time invested I suppose.

I just dislike the idea that he's such a victim. If Able puts him down, it's as a rabid dog. And I only even suggest it because they made it a point to make Able ask where Grandma was.

Grandma kills Mommy.
Daddy kills Grandma.
Able kills Daddy.

(Because that's WHO WE ARE BABY)

Cheese stands alone?

Idk. You know who I like?

Chibs.

frankotank · 12-04-2014, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Katipan

I don't know what the psychopath is going to think, but you know whats funny about that comment?

A lot.

Remember the wife of the prison guard he killed for no better reason than the fact that she was there?

**** Jax.

don't forget the two guys he killed after they'd helped them in a shootout......and one ended up being the son of an the MC prez. I mean damn man. those two dudes hadn't done anything and Jax just killed them. what a douche.

I'm ready for this bullshit to end man.

Gemma is such a skeeze.....and watching Katy on the after show she's so sweet. it'd be a yes for me.

**Mav** · 12-04-2014, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by frankotank

don't forget the two guys he killed after they'd helped them in a shootout......and one ended up being the son of an the MC prez. I mean damn man. those two dudes hadn't done anything and Jax just killed them. what a douche.

I'm ready for this bullshit to end man.

Gemma is such a skeeze.....and watching Katy on the after show she's so sweet. it'd be a yes for me.

Bitch had to die

-kurt Sutter

**Mav** · 12-04-2014, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Katipan

No, no hatred. No emotional investment. Lots of time invested I suppose.

I just dislike the idea that he's such a victim. If Able puts him down, it's as a rabid dog. And I only even suggest it because they made it a point to make Able ask where Grandma was.

Grandma kills Mommy.
Daddy kills Grandma.
Able kills Daddy.

(Because that's WHO WE ARE BABY)

Cheese stands alone?

Idk. You know who I like?

Chibs.

I can see that. I don't feel sorry for Jax at all. Piney tried to warn him a long time ago about walking this path. Everything he is getting, he has earned.

Once they killed Tara my emotion was gone.

Now I just want to watch the world burn.

**RockChalk** · 12-04-2014, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mav

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Now I just want to watch the world burn.

underEJ · 12-04-2014, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Katipan

Idk. You know who I like?

Chibs.

"You can't kill Filip. I know. I've tried." -Jimmy O' Phelan (season 2)

|Zach| · 12-04-2014, 08:01 PM

Read some similar thoughts today.

Why I hate Jax on 'Sons of Anarchy' and the brilliance of Kurt Sutter

http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/12/04/so...x-kurt-sutter/

I’m done rooting for Jax Teller. And when I say done, I don’t mean done like some of the characters on Sons of Anarchy who keep talking about leaving Charming and then never do. (Seriously, what’s up with that? Is there a giant dome keeping them trapped in the town like on that Stephen King CBS show?)

I wrote an email to EW’s resident SOA expert Mandi Bierly after Tuesday night’s penultimate episode with just three words: “I hate Jax.” And how could I not? THE BASTARD GUNNED DOWN UNSER FOR CRISSAKES!!! Unser, who always protected the club. Unser, who had become the conscience of the show after anyone else with a conscience was either killed off (Opie, Piney) or lost it long ago (Jax). Unser, who is terminally ill. When Jackie boy killed Unser—who was only trying to protect his assailant from offing his own mother—he became impossible to root for. And therein lies the genius of Sons of Anarchy.
Okay, let’s back up a little. Sons creator Kurt Sutter did something pretty brilliant in last season’s finale. He had Jax’s mom (Gemma) kill Jax’s wife (Tara). This move went beyond mere shock value—although it certainly was shocking. It set the table for the final season and Jax’s revenge. Fueled by a lie cooked up by Gemma and Juice about Chinese rivals being the ones responsible for Tara’s death, Jax went on a bloody, rage-filled quest for revenge, killing just about everyone in his path. Okay, most of these folks being offed were scumbags, so it was easy to excuse and overlook. But then Jax murdered some poor saps that were on his side, framing them to set up his master plan. And then he killed a fellow Sons president (Jury White) and lied about Jury admitting to being a rat who had betrayed the club. Is the one life of his wife that much more important than all of these other innocents?

Sutter was doing the same thing that all the great anti-hero shows of the past decade have done: daring us to continue rooting for the person at the center of the show, no matter how terrible they become. We’ve been trained our whole lives to root for the protagonist. It’s their story, so naturally they become the “good” guy. But what happens when they are not so good? Tony Soprano killed Christopher, even after Christopher repeatedly chose the family over flipping or fleeing with Adrianna. We’re still supposed to pull for him after that? Vic Mackey on The Shield murdered a fellow cop in cold blood in the very first episode! And yet you felt part of yourself still wishing for him to get away with it at the very end—even after he destroyed Shane and backstabbed Ronnie. Ronnie!—in what I would argue is the best series finale of all time. Walter White freakin’ poisoned a little kid just to manipulate someone’s loyalty on Breaking Bad, and yet part of us still wanted him to continue outsmarting the authorities. What is wrong with us?!?
All of these examples challenged us and the way we are supposed to relate to the characters and their lives we have become so invested in. It’s a dangerous game for showrunners—you make your character too bland and they become boring; too despicable and you turn people off. The whole arc of Sons of Anarchy for a long time was Jax butting heads with his villainous stepfather Clay while becoming more and more like him every day. It has been a fascinating arc to follow, but you always assumed he would eventually find redemption before all was said and done. And in some ways, perhaps he has. We saw him come clean with the other Sons presidents and admit to lying about Jury. He is aware that “mayhem has to land,” and that landing spot is likely right on him. He appears to have accepted that fate.

Which is what makes his gunning down of Unser so shocking. I am equally impressed and horrified that Sutter decided to go that far. In my eyes, that one act makes Jax completely irredeemable. People that are still able to forgive Jax for that—and there are many of them judging by the people I have spoken with—will point out that he gave Wayne repeated warnings before he fired and that Unser inserted himself into a situation he should have just left alone. Fair points. But still, IT’S UNSER! A good man, with good intentions, and someone who bailed Jax and the club out time and time again. The fact that Jax would put his own personal grudge above that is flat out brutal. We are conditioned to root for the protagonist and excuse his misdeeds along the way, so it is almost as if by having his lead character commit this heinous act, that Sutter is attempting to make us as positively uncomfortable as possible. That is the boldest form of art imaginable—making you rethink your entire approach to characters for whom you once held dear fondness. (By the way, I have no problem with Jax killing Gemma, which maybe seems odd with she being his mother and all, but seriously—the woman had it coming.)

I have no idea what Sutter has in store for Tuesday night’s finale, but I am firmly hoping for Jax to pay for his sins—same as Clay, same as Gemma. It’s maybe the first time I have rooted for a show’s main character to be killed, and so in that sense what Sutter has accomplished is extraordinary. That doesn’t mean Jax has to die for the finale to work. Bad people (or good people who do bad things) get off all the time. For me, the success of the Sons of Anarchy finale will not rest on whether Jackson Teller lives or dies. Just the fact that I even want the latter is a success in itself.

**lewdog** · 12-04-2014, 08:39 PM

I pretty much saw all of those eating it, although I didn't think Tully would be the one to kill Juice. Other than that, nothing shocking in that last episode.

YAWN

Katipan · 12-04-2014, 11:26 PM

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Which is what makes his gunning down of Unser so shocking. I am equally impressed and horrified that Sutter decided to go that far. In my eyes, that one act makes Jax completely irredeemable. People that are still able to forgive Jax for that—and there are many of them judging by the people I have spoken with—will point out that he gave Wayne repeated warnings before he fired and that Unser inserted himself into a situation he should have just left alone. Fair points. But still, IT’S UNSER! A good man, with good intentions, and someone who bailed Jax and the club out time and time again. The fact that Jax would put his own personal grudge above that is flat out brutal.

I didn't take it like that.

He didn't want to kill Unser. Unser knew he was going to die when he said "this is all I've got." /paraphrase He let Unser die with his lady love rather than exhaust the last bit of life he had trying to put Jax in jail. Jax has stuff to wrap up. Otherwise Jax could have just bonked him on the head and locked him in the basement.

The SADDEST part about that whole Red Rose scene, was that Unser never told Gemma that Chucky loved her.

I mean I'm sure she knew, but still.

Other than that, **** Jax.

**Mav** · 12-05-2014, 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by lewdog

I pretty much saw all of those eating it, although I didn't think Tully would be the one to kill Juice. Other than that, nothing shocking in that last episode.

YAWN

Really? That part makes sense to me.

Pushead2 · 12-05-2014, 08:23 AM

I wouldn't be surprised to see a Godfather II type of ending where Jax isn't going anywhere.

frankotank · 12-05-2014, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Katipan

The SADDEST part about that whole Red Rose scene, was that Unser never told Gemma that Chucky loved her.

woh!
forgot about that.
dammit unser!

old people.......

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Katipan MER Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Colorado Casino cash: $2750351	No, no hatred. No emotional investment. Lots of time invested I suppose. I just dislike the idea that he's such a victim. If Able puts him down, it's as a rabid dog. And I only even suggest it because they made it a point to make Able ask where Grandma was. Grandma kills Mommy. Daddy kills Grandma. Able kills Daddy. (Because that's WHO WE ARE BABY) Cheese stands alone? Idk. You know who I like? Chibs. __________________ "Loving him is red."
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12-04-2014, 08:01 PM	#1240
\|Zach\| For The Glory Of The City Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $5326768	Read some similar thoughts today. Why I hate Jax on 'Sons of Anarchy' and the brilliance of Kurt Sutter http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/12/04/so...x-kurt-sutter/ I’m done rooting for Jax Teller. And when I say done, I don’t mean done like some of the characters on Sons of Anarchy who keep talking about leaving Charming and then never do. (Seriously, what’s up with that? Is there a giant dome keeping them trapped in the town like on that Stephen King CBS show?) I wrote an email to EW’s resident SOA expert Mandi Bierly after Tuesday night’s penultimate episode with just three words: “I hate Jax.” And how could I not? THE BASTARD GUNNED DOWN UNSER FOR CRISSAKES!!! Unser, who always protected the club. Unser, who had become the conscience of the show after anyone else with a conscience was either killed off (Opie, Piney) or lost it long ago (Jax). Unser, who is terminally ill. When Jackie boy killed Unser—who was only trying to protect his assailant from offing his own mother—he became impossible to root for. And therein lies the genius of Sons of Anarchy. Okay, let’s back up a little. Sons creator Kurt Sutter did something pretty brilliant in last season’s finale. He had Jax’s mom (Gemma) kill Jax’s wife (Tara). This move went beyond mere shock value—although it certainly was shocking. It set the table for the final season and Jax’s revenge. Fueled by a lie cooked up by Gemma and Juice about Chinese rivals being the ones responsible for Tara’s death, Jax went on a bloody, rage-filled quest for revenge, killing just about everyone in his path. Okay, most of these folks being offed were scumbags, so it was easy to excuse and overlook. But then Jax murdered some poor saps that were on his side, framing them to set up his master plan. And then he killed a fellow Sons president (Jury White) and lied about Jury admitting to being a rat who had betrayed the club. Is the one life of his wife that much more important than all of these other innocents? Sutter was doing the same thing that all the great anti-hero shows of the past decade have done: daring us to continue rooting for the person at the center of the show, no matter how terrible they become. We’ve been trained our whole lives to root for the protagonist. It’s their story, so naturally they become the “good” guy. But what happens when they are not so good? Tony Soprano killed Christopher, even after Christopher repeatedly chose the family over flipping or fleeing with Adrianna. We’re still supposed to pull for him after that? Vic Mackey on The Shield murdered a fellow cop in cold blood in the very first episode! And yet you felt part of yourself still wishing for him to get away with it at the very end—even after he destroyed Shane and backstabbed Ronnie. Ronnie!—in what I would argue is the best series finale of all time. Walter White freakin’ poisoned a little kid just to manipulate someone’s loyalty on Breaking Bad, and yet part of us still wanted him to continue outsmarting the authorities. What is wrong with us?!? All of these examples challenged us and the way we are supposed to relate to the characters and their lives we have become so invested in. It’s a dangerous game for showrunners—you make your character too bland and they become boring; too despicable and you turn people off. The whole arc of Sons of Anarchy for a long time was Jax butting heads with his villainous stepfather Clay while becoming more and more like him every day. It has been a fascinating arc to follow, but you always assumed he would eventually find redemption before all was said and done. And in some ways, perhaps he has. We saw him come clean with the other Sons presidents and admit to lying about Jury. He is aware that “mayhem has to land,” and that landing spot is likely right on him. He appears to have accepted that fate. Which is what makes his gunning down of Unser so shocking. I am equally impressed and horrified that Sutter decided to go that far. In my eyes, that one act makes Jax completely irredeemable. People that are still able to forgive Jax for that—and there are many of them judging by the people I have spoken with—will point out that he gave Wayne repeated warnings before he fired and that Unser inserted himself into a situation he should have just left alone. Fair points. But still, IT’S UNSER! A good man, with good intentions, and someone who bailed Jax and the club out time and time again. The fact that Jax would put his own personal grudge above that is flat out brutal. We are conditioned to root for the protagonist and excuse his misdeeds along the way, so it is almost as if by having his lead character commit this heinous act, that Sutter is attempting to make us as positively uncomfortable as possible. That is the boldest form of art imaginable—making you rethink your entire approach to characters for whom you once held dear fondness. (By the way, I have no problem with Jax killing Gemma, which maybe seems odd with she being his mother and all, but seriously—the woman had it coming.) I have no idea what Sutter has in store for Tuesday night’s finale, but I am firmly hoping for Jax to pay for his sins—same as Clay, same as Gemma. It’s maybe the first time I have rooted for a show’s main character to be killed, and so in that sense what Sutter has accomplished is extraordinary. That doesn’t mean Jax has to die for the finale to work. Bad people (or good people who do bad things) get off all the time. For me, the success of the Sons of Anarchy finale will not rest on whether Jackson Teller lives or dies. Just the fact that I even want the latter is a success in itself.
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