Did we see the changing of the guard? - Page 3

Dr. Johnny Fever · 09-12-2005, 08:20 AM

I am as big a fan of Priest Holmes as anyone can be. He has been the man over and over again. He has my undying love and appreciation forever. He may well be my favorite Chief of all time.

But was I the only one with a jaw on the floor and an almost insane yearning to see LJ carry the ball more and Priest less as the game went on? Damn... that dude can flat ****ing play. Unbelievable. He made me think MVP candidate. He made me have memory flashes of the greatest RB's to ever play. No, I'm not saying he is one of the greatest ever... yet. But what could he do if he was the full time back???

I don't want to see Priest replaced. But maybe replaced as the starter? I know they are gonna share the workload... but I'm thinking it might be better for Larry to get 2/3rds of the carries instead of Priest...?

**Skip Towne** · 09-12-2005, 09:24 AM

Sentiment has no place in the NFL.. Remember how quick SF canned Joe Montana in favor of Steve Young? And Montana certainly wasn't done. Same with Marcus Allen and the Fade.

**mlyonsd** · 09-12-2005, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by beer me

...and you said "pick his own hole..."

I just about changed that when typing it but figured I'd leave it in to see which prevert would be the first to catch it. Congrats, you win the prize.

Dr. Chief · 09-12-2005, 09:29 AM

I agree with all of those that think we need to keep LJ angry.

I predict a SI cover with Priest and LJ within the next month.

penchief · 09-12-2005, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by NewChief

Well, because it's built upon the supposition that we're going to wear Priest out and if someone is going to get worn out and injured from wear, I'd rather it be Priest than LJ at this point.

I'm not sure that it's even possible to wear LJ out. He thrives on punishing the defense. The dude is 25 and has only had one full year as a starter (senior year at PSU). Can you imagine what he'd be capable of when he's allowed to get in a groove?

We may be looking at a superstar. We need to seriously think about the future. This guy is not someone who is all about the money. He's a superb athelete and a big-time football player. He loves the competition and he loves to play. It's time he gets the chance to prove his worth. From what I can tell, there's still a big upside to what he can do. I don't think we've seen anything yet.

Calcountry · 09-12-2005, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Scorp

I think an angry Johnson is better right now than a happy Johnson..

redbrian · 09-12-2005, 10:34 AM

I like Larry's take on the duo, he calls it "The Church Backfield, Priest Prays, Larry buries"

Calcountry · 09-12-2005, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Chief

I agree with all of those that think we need to keep LJ angry.

I predict a SI cover with Priest and LJ within the next month.

Good coaches know what buttons to push to make players take it to the next level. Some guys, you can't piss off like DV did LJ with the diapers comment.

But, as time passes, we will look back on that "comment" by DV and see it as the spark that lit a fire under a special, talented, players butt.

I even think LJ may be the kind of player to realize it at some point in the future. He may never admit it though. But even on ESPN, every time one of his great runs are being shown, they throw the "the diapers are off" comment in there.

Stay angry LJ! You show DV that you da man dammit!

htismaqe · 09-12-2005, 10:44 AM

I don't think Johnson's motivation is a concern at all.

You can tell by looking at him, he takes a perverse enjoyment in running over people. He looked downright pissed...

**Skip Towne** · 09-12-2005, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by bunnytrdr

Good coaches know what buttons to push to make players take it to the next level. Some guys, you can't piss off like DV did LJ with the diapers comment.

But, as time passes, we will look back on that "comment" by DV and see it as the spark that lit a fire under a special, talented, players butt.

I even think LJ may be the kind of player to realize it at some point in the future. He may never admit it though. But even on ESPN, every time one of his great runs are being shown, they throw the "the diapers are off" comment in there.

Stay angry LJ! You show DV that you da man dammit!

I ain't buying the "lit a fire " theory. LJ averaged more than 8 yds per carry at Penn State. Vermeil was just too stubborn to realize what he had. LJ probably wouldn't be playing now if Vermeil hadn't been forced to play him due to injury.

NewChief · 09-12-2005, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by penchief

I'm not sure that it's even possible to wear LJ out. He thrives on punishing the defense. The dude is 25 and has only had one full year as a starter (senior year at PSU). Can you imagine what he'd be capable of when he's allowed to get in a groove?

We may be looking at a superstar. We need to seriously think about the future.

I think it's foolish to think you can't wear someone out in the NFL. Look at all the stud running backs that have been injured or worn out in their careers. I agree that LJ is the future, and that's exactly what I'm thinking of when I say we should continue to start Priest and have them share the load pretty heavily. I think he's absolutely a stud, and I admit I get more excited when he's in the game than when Priest is in, but I like the way this is playing out right now. Later in the season, if Priest becomes unproductive, then start giving LJ the lion's share. As long as we're still getting workhorse productivity out of Priest, then keep him in there and keep Johnson healthy and fresh for the stretch.

htismaqe · 09-12-2005, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by NewChief

I think it's foolish to think you can't wear someone out in the NFL. Look at all the stud running backs that have been injured or worn out in their careers. I agree that LJ is the future, and that's exactly what I'm thinking of when I say we should continue to start Priest and have them share the load pretty heavily. I think he's absolutely a stud, and I admit I get more excited when he's in the game than when Priest is in, but I like the way this is playing out right now. Later in the season, if Priest becomes unproductive, then start giving LJ the lion's share. As long as we're still getting workhorse productivity out of Priest, then keep him in there and keep Johnson healthy and fresh for the stretch.

It's amazing just how far things have come...

We've now seen a post that suggests using PRIEST to keep JOHNSON healthy.

Mile High Mania · 09-12-2005, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

It's amazing just how far things have come...

We've now seen a post that suggests using PRIEST to keep JOHNSON healthy.

That is wild, but KC has a damn sweet RB duo...

**Donger** · 09-12-2005, 10:57 AM

Out of curiousity, who are the top five ranked run defense teams in the NFL?

4th and Long · 09-12-2005, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Chief

I predict a SI cover with Priest and LJ within the next month.

NOOOOOOOO!!!

Remember what happened last time?

Our 9-0 streak went bye bye at the hands of the Bungles!

Keep us off the damn cover! That jinx works and I want no part of it!

Pitt Gorilla · 09-12-2005, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Skip Towne

I ain't buying the "lit a fire " theory. LJ averaged more than 8 yds per carry at Penn State. Vermeil was just too stubborn to realize what he had. LJ probably wouldn't be playing now if Vermeil hadn't been forced to play him due to injury.

I think it has played out well. LJ wasn't ready to play and he didn't. As he learned from one of the best and matured, he got better.

09-12-2005, 08:20 AM
Dr. Johnny Fever stax of wax Join Date: Feb 2004 Casino cash: $10004900	Did we see the changing of the guard? I am as big a fan of Priest Holmes as anyone can be. He has been the man over and over again. He has my undying love and appreciation forever. He may well be my favorite Chief of all time. But was I the only one with a jaw on the floor and an almost insane yearning to see LJ carry the ball more and Priest less as the game went on? Damn... that dude can flat ****ing play. Unbelievable. He made me think MVP candidate. He made me have memory flashes of the greatest RB's to ever play. No, I'm not saying he is one of the greatest ever... yet. But what could he do if he was the full time back??? I don't want to see Priest replaced. But maybe replaced as the starter? I know they are gonna share the workload... but I'm thinking it might be better for Larry to get 2/3rds of the carries instead of Priest...?
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09-12-2005, 10:44 AM	#38
htismaqe 'Tis my eye! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $10269900	I don't think Johnson's motivation is a concern at all. You can tell by looking at him, he takes a perverse enjoyment in running over people. He looked downright pissed...
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09-12-2005, 10:57 AM	#43
Donger "Think BOOM!" Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: 33.675° N 106.475° W Casino cash: $10269900 VARSITY	Out of curiousity, who are the top five ranked run defense teams in the NFL? __________________ I think the young people enjoy it when I "get down," verbally, don't you?
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