GRETZ: Urban Chiefs Legends - Page 5

nmt1 · 12-01-2004, 06:35 AM

Of course we all know that Gretz is just a shill for the organization but I found this column interesting.

GRETZ: Urban Chiefs Legends
Dec 01, 2004, 6:01:28 AM by Bob Gretz

It’s only natural given the Chiefs position at the bottom of the AFC West standings that the blame game is being heavily played by the fans and media. Expectations were high; production has been low, so off with their heads!

This always leads to a gestation process that creates great urban legends surrounding the Chiefs. Several of these have been bounced around lately by the tin-horn voices that control the sports talk airwaves, in this case both the hosts and the callers. Sometimes they get help from national media types who have 15 seconds to report something that requires two minutes to put into perspective.

Stand back and sometimes you can see these snippets of rumor and information go from a fire the size of a match, to that of a blazing inferno, complete with cover-ups, payoffs and black helicopters patrolling the area around Arrowhead Stadium.

For instance:

ITEM: CBS-TV cameras caught Priest Holmes munching on nachos in a private box during the game with the Chargers. URBAN CHIEFS LEGEND #1: Holmes no longer cares about the team or his teammates and has already packed it in for the 2004 season.

REALITY: Believe me, if Holmes was done for the season, he would be back home in San Antonio with his children and family; he wouldn’t be hanging at Arrowhead eating those nasty stadium nachos. That Holmes watched the Chargers game from a box and was not on the sidelines is nothing new. He did the same thing in the New England game, and in fact, ABC cameras showed him there. He wasn’t eating nachos, so apparently that’s what raises the ire of some fans. Holmes has always done this. Back in the 2003 pre-season when he was being handled gingerly after his hip injury and surgery, he would take his few plays in the first quarter and then disappear into the locker room. Again nothing was made of it then. Holmes has not quit on his team or this season.

ITEM: The Chiefs had several practice field fights in the days before their Monday night game with New England. URBAN CHIEFS LEGEND #2: The Chiefs locker room is a powder key ready to explode with teammates fighting each other.

REALITY: The Chiefs had several practice field fights in the days leading up to their Monday night game in Baltimore. This received little or no attention outside of Arrowhead Stadium. Inside the team, the activity was actually welcomed by some of the coaches and players. The Chiefs were 0-3 at the time and needed to raise their intensity level. It paid off with a nice victory over the Ravens, one of the few high marks of the season.

The fights that came down the week before the New England game involved defensive backs and wide receivers. The scout team DBs had been told by a member of the Chiefs offensive coaching staff to be physical with the wide receivers coming off the line of scrimmage because that’s what they would face against the Patriots. So the DBs did what they were told, several receivers objected and there was plenty of pushing and shoving.

Folks it happens all the time on the practice field. If it doesn’t, then the coaching staff better start worrying about the intensity level of the team. For this to be reported on a national TV pre-game show, as it was on the Fox network, is a joke.

ITEM: The Chiefs are, pick one: (1.) $6 million (2.) $8 million, or (3.) $10 million under the NFL salary cap this year. URBAN CHIEFS LEGEND #3: This is proof positive that all Lamar Hunt and Carl Peterson are worried about is the bottom line and they are hurting the football team by not using all of the cap money in 2004.

REALITY: As of early this week, the Chiefs were approximately $4.7 million under the league salary cap figure of $80.5 million. Last year at this time, they were $5.2 million under the cap. Funny, but nobody complained at this time last year when they were 10-1.

Their current state is not unusual; there are a lot of NFL teams in the same position. Will that $4.7 million go to waste? No. The Chiefs have already used up some of that total by extending the contract of center Casey Wiegmann. Some of that total will be eaten up by incentive bonuses that players earn in 2004. With what’s left over, they will structure incentive bonuses for players that will not be earned this year. Those monies will then be carried over into the 2005 salary cap as credits.

The fact is the Chiefs have spent more than the salary cap this year on personnel. When you factor in signing bonuses and so forth, they’ve spent $86 million on players. When you are talking about cash and cap, the Chiefs are over the number.

Sooner or later, Chiefs fans need to understand that when it comes to making the cap work, their team is one of the best in the league. Now, who that money is spent on, is certainly open for criticism and questioning.

ITEM: Former Chiefs linebacker Donnie Edwards ends former team’s hopes with late-game interception. URBAN CHIEFS LEGED #4: Edwards is playing for the Chargers because the Chiefs didn’t want to pay him big money.

REALITY: The only reason Edwards is not wearing a Chiefs uniform today is a guy named Greg Robinson. The fact is the Chiefs were quite confident they could sign Edwards to a new deal at a financial number that was good for him and the team. Edwards didn’t want to leave and just about everyone around Arrowhead did not want to lose him.

Robinson was the exception. He felt Edwards’ play did not conform to his defensive system and style during the 2001 season. The defensive coordinator did not want him, and against the better judgment of many people inside Arrowhead, Edwards was allowed to walk away. Funny thing, but the Chiefs spent more money in 2003 signing free agent LB Shawn Barber, than it would have taken to keep Edwards.

Now, Edwards is the defensive leader of the division leading Chargers, Barber is on IR for the rest of the year with a knee injury and Robinson is getting ready for a bowl game with the Texas Longhorns.

Source

12-01-2004, 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HC_Chief

WTF is he babbling about here? We take free cap space this year, apply the amount to bonuses to be earned next year, and those monies are subtracted as credits? That makes no sense.

I think he's talking about incentives that are not likely to be earned. If Priest Holmes has a 30 TD incentive in his contract for a $1,000,000 bonus and he scores 30 TD's. He's paid $1,000,000 which hits this year's cap. But half of it is credited towards next year's cap. I believe this is what Gretz is talking about.

**Mr. Kotter** · 12-01-2004, 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phobia

Oh, well I'll defer to you on that. I haven't read 8 or 10 here. Certainly not from any credible poster. If I had, I'd have offered a correction.

I remember ENDelt quoting the $10 million figure....

Oh, nevermind; you've covered yourself on that one.

12-01-2004, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by SDChiefsfan

I remember ENDelt quoting the $10 million figure....

Oh, nevermind; you've covered yourself on that one.

Am I supposed to believe ENDelt posted on a thread not about beer, weed, or fat women?

**Baby Lee** · 12-01-2004, 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by memyselfI

that is blatter emptying funny!!!

(CP spelling of bladder)

squirting a little when you laugh? - understandable, maybe even a little endearing.
emptying your blatter? - time for the short bus and hockey helmet.

memyselfI · 12-01-2004, 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

squirting a little when you laugh? - understandable, maybe even a little endearing.
emptying your blatter? - time for the short bus and hockey helmet.

LOL, I've had the surgery to fix the latter problem.

I guess I should have added it would have been FORMERLY blatter emptying.

**Mr. Kotter** · 12-01-2004, 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phobia

Am I supposed to believe ENDelt posted on a thread not about beer, weed, or fat women?

Like I said; nevermind.

**Baby Lee** · 12-01-2004, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by memyselfI

LOL, I've had the surgery to fix the latter problem.

I guess I should have added it would have been FORMERLY blatter emptying.

Maybe you can get Adam Sandler to sprinkle some drinking fountain water on the front of pants and proclaim that it's 'the coolest!!!'

If pissing your pants is cool, then I'm Miles Davis.

**Mr. Kotter** · 12-01-2004, 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by memyselfI

LOL, I've had the surgery to fix the latter problem.

I guess I should have added it would have been FORMERLY blatter emptying.

Holy ch*t, TMI.

12-01-2004, 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by memyselfI

LOL, I've had the surgery to fix the latter problem.

I guess I should have added it would have been FORMERLY blatter emptying.

I asked Hel'n so I think it's only fair to ask you....

Do you keep your penis in a jar for posterity, or did you have the hospital dispose of it?

philfree · 12-01-2004, 10:58 AM

Quote:

I think he's talking about incentives that are not likely to be earned. If Priest Holmes has a 30 TD incentive in his contract for a $1,000,000 bonus and he scores 30 TD's. He's paid $1,000,000 which hits this year's cap. But half of it is credited towards next year's cap. I believe this is what Gretz is talking about.

The kicker I believe is that the incentives count against this years cap until they are not achieved. At they point we get the amount of the unachieved incentive added to next years amount of caps space increasing the amount of cap space we have. I guess you can re-do a contract mid season to make this work out?

PhilFree

**Mr. Kotter** · 12-01-2004, 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phobia

I asked Hel'n so I think it's only fair to ask you....

Do you keep your penis in a jar for posterity, or did you have the hospital dispose of it?

NICE.

Exactly what I was alluding to....

12-01-2004, 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philfree

The kicker I believe is that the incentives count against this years cap until they are not achieved. At they point we get the amount of the unachieved incentive added to next years amount of caps space increasing the amount of cap space we have. I guess you can re-do a contract mid season to make this work out?

PhilFree

I'm not certain how the incentives count pertaining to which year they hit the cap. I guess that means more research is necessary.

memyselfI · 12-01-2004, 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phobia

I asked Hel'n so I think it's only fair to ask you....

Do you keep your penis in a jar for posterity, or did you have the hospital dispose of it?

LOL, not that surgery, moran. Surgery to fix damage done from 2 large babies born (naturally) to a small boned woman.

12-01-2004, 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by memyselfI

to a small boned woman.

Hel'n claimed to have been small boned as well....

BigChiefFan · 12-01-2004, 11:05 AM

Gretz is full of shit. How can as of earlier this week we are $4.7 under the cap, but then some of that $4.7 million is be being spent on Weigmann, when we re-signed him in September? This is just another act of desperation to keep the fans snowed again. The Chiefs PR machine is full of shit and are using excuses to justify their shitty off-season plan. Excuses are for losers.

12-01-2004, 06:35 AM
nmt1 Veteran Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	GRETZ: Urban Chiefs Legends Of course we all know that Gretz is just a shill for the organization but I found this column interesting. GRETZ: Urban Chiefs Legends Dec 01, 2004, 6:01:28 AM by Bob Gretz It’s only natural given the Chiefs position at the bottom of the AFC West standings that the blame game is being heavily played by the fans and media. Expectations were high; production has been low, so off with their heads! This always leads to a gestation process that creates great urban legends surrounding the Chiefs. Several of these have been bounced around lately by the tin-horn voices that control the sports talk airwaves, in this case both the hosts and the callers. Sometimes they get help from national media types who have 15 seconds to report something that requires two minutes to put into perspective. Stand back and sometimes you can see these snippets of rumor and information go from a fire the size of a match, to that of a blazing inferno, complete with cover-ups, payoffs and black helicopters patrolling the area around Arrowhead Stadium. For instance: ITEM: CBS-TV cameras caught Priest Holmes munching on nachos in a private box during the game with the Chargers. URBAN CHIEFS LEGEND #1: Holmes no longer cares about the team or his teammates and has already packed it in for the 2004 season. REALITY: Believe me, if Holmes was done for the season, he would be back home in San Antonio with his children and family; he wouldn’t be hanging at Arrowhead eating those nasty stadium nachos. That Holmes watched the Chargers game from a box and was not on the sidelines is nothing new. He did the same thing in the New England game, and in fact, ABC cameras showed him there. He wasn’t eating nachos, so apparently that’s what raises the ire of some fans. Holmes has always done this. Back in the 2003 pre-season when he was being handled gingerly after his hip injury and surgery, he would take his few plays in the first quarter and then disappear into the locker room. Again nothing was made of it then. Holmes has not quit on his team or this season. ITEM: The Chiefs had several practice field fights in the days before their Monday night game with New England. URBAN CHIEFS LEGEND #2: The Chiefs locker room is a powder key ready to explode with teammates fighting each other. REALITY: The Chiefs had several practice field fights in the days leading up to their Monday night game in Baltimore. This received little or no attention outside of Arrowhead Stadium. Inside the team, the activity was actually welcomed by some of the coaches and players. The Chiefs were 0-3 at the time and needed to raise their intensity level. It paid off with a nice victory over the Ravens, one of the few high marks of the season. The fights that came down the week before the New England game involved defensive backs and wide receivers. The scout team DBs had been told by a member of the Chiefs offensive coaching staff to be physical with the wide receivers coming off the line of scrimmage because that’s what they would face against the Patriots. So the DBs did what they were told, several receivers objected and there was plenty of pushing and shoving. Folks it happens all the time on the practice field. If it doesn’t, then the coaching staff better start worrying about the intensity level of the team. For this to be reported on a national TV pre-game show, as it was on the Fox network, is a joke. ITEM: The Chiefs are, pick one: (1.) $6 million (2.) $8 million, or (3.) $10 million under the NFL salary cap this year. URBAN CHIEFS LEGEND #3: This is proof positive that all Lamar Hunt and Carl Peterson are worried about is the bottom line and they are hurting the football team by not using all of the cap money in 2004. REALITY: As of early this week, the Chiefs were approximately $4.7 million under the league salary cap figure of $80.5 million. Last year at this time, they were $5.2 million under the cap. Funny, but nobody complained at this time last year when they were 10-1. Their current state is not unusual; there are a lot of NFL teams in the same position. Will that $4.7 million go to waste? No. The Chiefs have already used up some of that total by extending the contract of center Casey Wiegmann. Some of that total will be eaten up by incentive bonuses that players earn in 2004. With what’s left over, they will structure incentive bonuses for players that will not be earned this year. Those monies will then be carried over into the 2005 salary cap as credits. The fact is the Chiefs have spent more than the salary cap this year on personnel. When you factor in signing bonuses and so forth, they’ve spent $86 million on players. When you are talking about cash and cap, the Chiefs are over the number. Sooner or later, Chiefs fans need to understand that when it comes to making the cap work, their team is one of the best in the league. Now, who that money is spent on, is certainly open for criticism and questioning. ITEM: Former Chiefs linebacker Donnie Edwards ends former team’s hopes with late-game interception. URBAN CHIEFS LEGED #4: Edwards is playing for the Chargers because the Chiefs didn’t want to pay him big money. REALITY: The only reason Edwards is not wearing a Chiefs uniform today is a guy named Greg Robinson. The fact is the Chiefs were quite confident they could sign Edwards to a new deal at a financial number that was good for him and the team. Edwards didn’t want to leave and just about everyone around Arrowhead did not want to lose him. Robinson was the exception. He felt Edwards’ play did not conform to his defensive system and style during the 2001 season. The defensive coordinator did not want him, and against the better judgment of many people inside Arrowhead, Edwards was allowed to walk away. Funny thing, but the Chiefs spent more money in 2003 signing free agent LB Shawn Barber, than it would have taken to keep Edwards. Now, Edwards is the defensive leader of the division leading Chargers, Barber is on IR for the rest of the year with a knee injury and Robinson is getting ready for a bowl game with the Texas Longhorns. Source
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