Cardinals ***Official St. Louis Cardinals 2013 Postseason Thread*** - Page 204

'Hamas' Jenkins · 10-04-2013, 11:46 AM

The Season thread has started crapping out. Post about the Birds here.

tk13 · 10-27-2013, 10:06 PM

Apparently it's the first postseason game to ever end on a pickoff.

O.city · 10-27-2013, 10:08 PM

This is the same thinking with he chiefs.

Before their starts? No way. During? Yeah, things change

**BigRedChief** · 10-27-2013, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Think doesn't matter. We would have won the goddamned game if not for the stupidity of Matheny.

You could make a case that the Red Sox should have won the 2 games they lost. We are not the 27 yankees. We will lose games we should have won.

O.city · 10-27-2013, 10:11 PM

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You could make a case that the Red Sox should have won the 2 games they lost. We are not the 27 yankees. We will lose games we should have won.

Because we get outplayed, sure.

We lost tonight because of the manager

**BigRedChief** · 10-27-2013, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Because we get outplayed, sure.

We lost tonight because of the manager

happens. Remember 2011..... What are you doing out here moment? We gave that away.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 10-27-2013, 10:15 PM

This team has played four inexcusably awful games out of 16 in the postseason: Game 2 against Pitt, Game 3 against LA, and Games 1 & 4 of this series.

That's too high of a proportion when the teams are so evenly matched.

rolltide2014 · 10-27-2013, 10:26 PM

My family was at this game, but I wasn't able to go because of being at school and everything it would've cost to get to STL not to mention the tickets. I was a little disappointed I didn't get to go, but if I had been in the stadium for that I would've lost my ****ing shit. I'm glad I didn't have to witness that shitstorm in person.

King_Chief_Fan · 10-28-2013, 05:58 AM

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****ing inexcusable Wong

get real, Wong didn't lose that game, leaving 8 stranded lost the game.

I am not putting the heat on a bit player who is seeing the bright lights for the first time when the first base coach is standing there picking his butt.

Amnorix · 10-28-2013, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

This team has played four inexcusably awful games out of 16 in the postseason: Game 2 against Pitt, Game 3 against LA, and Games 1 & 4 of this series.

That's too high of a proportion when the teams are so evenly matched.

Right, because the Red Sox definitely did not lose the other two games by throwing the ball away down the third base line not once, but twice.

When teams are this close, the mistakes get magnified exponentially.

VAChief · 10-28-2013, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

No, they should have PR Kelly. He was the one pitcher who would never be used (outside of Waino). He's a good enough athlete and a smart enough player not to shit himself on a routine baseball play.

There was no point in PR'ing Wong unless he was the tying/winning run.

It was just another example of Matheny's abject incompetence.

I can't blame him for Wong, but bringing in Maness to face Gomes made no sense whatsoever, I would have rather had Lynn pitch to him and if not Lynn why not Choate to pitch around him then bring in a power arm? Of course he didn't have anyone ready which is also inexcusable. Gomes has been outmatched the whole series with anyone who can break a pane of glass with their fastball.

VAChief · 10-28-2013, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan

get real, Wong didn't lose that game, leaving 8 stranded lost the game.

I am not putting the heat on a bit player who is seeing the bright lights for the first time when the first base coach is standing there picking his butt.

Buchholz was throwing BP. That was the game. He should have been curb stomped with what he was throwing. Everything else would be irrelevant.

whoman69 · 10-28-2013, 07:11 AM

If the Cardinals lose this it will because they made more boneheaded plays than the Red Sox. It seemed dumb for the Red Sox to be holding Wong on until they picked him off. We have Waino and Yadi letting a pop fly drop between them, Holliday being thrown out on a dropped ball, then last night's bonehead adding to the many mental breakdowns for the Cardinals.

Is it just me or could nobody else see that Lynn was going to break down facing Ortiz? He was at his limit and mentally checked out of the game by then. Should have had Choate ready and pitching to him.

VAChief · 10-28-2013, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by whoman69

If the Cardinals lose this it will because they made more boneheaded plays than the Red Sox. It seemed dumb for the Red Sox to be holding Wong on until they picked him off. We have Waino and Yadi letting a pop fly drop between them, Holliday being thrown out on a dropped ball, then last night's bonehead adding to the many mental breakdowns for the Cardinals.

Is it just me or could nobody else see that Lynn was going to break down facing Ortiz? He was at his limit and mentally checked out of the game by then. Should have had Choate ready and pitching to him.

Choate was ready. They obviously wanted no part of Ortiz either way. I just don't get Maness in that situation. I think Choate was only warming up in the event Ortiz led off the inning.

There was a lot of talk about Farrell leaving Napoli on his bench the previous game. Where is Miller this series (and last)? Why put him on the roster when you aren't going to use him? He hasn't even warmed up to my knowledge. It is puzzling. He worked out of the pen last year after starting all year. It is the reverse that can mess up a pitcher.

Swanman · 10-28-2013, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by VAChief

Choate was ready. They obviously wanted no part of Ortiz either way. I just don't get Maness in that situation. I think Choate was only warming up in the event Ortiz led off the inning.

There was a lot of talk about Farrell leaving Napoli on his bench the previous game. Where is Miller this series (and last)? Why put him on the roster when you aren't going to use him? He hasn't even warmed up to my knowledge. It is puzzling. He worked out of the pen last year after starting all year. It is the reverse that can mess up a pitcher.

You don't walk the leading run into scoring position. Matheny should have put in either Choate or Siegrist to face Ortiz and play a no-doubles defense to cut off any gappers to keep that runner on first from scoring. The advantage to Siegrist is that you can leave him in after Ortiz if needed.

The problem is that Matheny doesn't recognize that Maness operates off of 1) a decent sinker if he throws it properly and 2) dumb luck. When Maness elevates that sinker, it is batting practice, as we saw.

rolltide2014 · 10-28-2013, 02:38 PM

Lineups posted for tonight's game: http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...inals-lineups/

Little bit of a shakeup on our end: Jay out, Robinson in CF and hitting 2nd, dropping Beltran to 4th. Adams, Kozma, and Freese starting tonight.

Boston's rolling with pretty much the same lineup as last night. David Ross and Jonny Gomes in there again tonight.

Should be a good one tonight...We gotta have this one.

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rolltide2014 Starter Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Bloomington, IL Casino cash: $10011695	Lineups posted for tonight's game: http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...inals-lineups/ Little bit of a shakeup on our end: Jay out, Robinson in CF and hitting 2nd, dropping Beltran to 4th. Adams, Kozma, and Freese starting tonight. Boston's rolling with pretty much the same lineup as last night. David Ross and Jonny Gomes in there again tonight. Should be a good one tonight...We gotta have this one.
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