Keep f***ing doubting Alex Smith

[Hammock Parties]

The title of the thread says it all....

**** you doubters. He plays with heart, and he continues to get the job done. You people who bash Alex, I don't even consider true fans. He plays his heart out every week, and you continue to bash him...

Keep bashing him, I'll keep backing him.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I won't argue that... however...

How much is Alex Smith going to improve from this year to next year? Is he going to take the step - at age 30 - that makes him a QB who can CARRY an offense against elite teams? Or is he going to continue being an efficient guy who doesn't make mistakes but has to rely on his defense and run game to be successful?

As long as he's not the lock-stock-and-two-smoking-barrels "answer," and is replaced by the 2015 season, that isn't an issue (other than overpayment for him in the first place).

As long as a 2013 QB class guy isn't a "Star" type QB by the end of the 2014 season, I wouldn't even say it was an issue.

But if Geno Smith or Manuel or Matt Barkley, etc., is a star by that time? Yikes.

Alex Smith will always be limited.

The thing is Andy has shown he's not married to a qb. This isn't Herm who backed his way into a few playoffs or the Pioli era where he road Tom Bradys coatails. Reid has won a lot of games playoffs included. There's no reason why we shouldn't think this franchises best days are ahead.

[Saccopoo]

[QUOTE=duncan_idaho;10009412]

I won't argue that... however...

How much is Alex Smith going to improve from this year to next year? Is he going to take the step - at age 30 - that makes him a QB who can CARRY an offense against elite teams?

Well, when one considers that he was a special teams fumble+turnover away from being the starting QB in the Superbowl in 2012, and was leading the best team in the NFC (and leading the NFL in several QB categories) prior to his minor injury which led to the now (in)famous Harbaugh QB switch, I'd say he's a QB who can carry an offense against elite teams.

Or is he going to continue being an efficient guy who doesn't make mistakes but has to rely on his defense and run game to be successful?

Considering that football gets played on both sides of the ball by 22 different guys, and that the Chiefs best players are Jamaal Charles and all those first round draft picks on the defensive side of the ball, why wouldn't you want to make sure that you crafted a game plan with those specific guys in mind?

Having a QB that doesn't turn the ball over and who is capable of running a solid, well executed ball control offense in conjunction with a top defense, top running back and top punter to control the field position is what most teams in the NFL would love. That's a pretty solid formula for winning a lot of games.

I get the fascination of having a QB that's capable of stretching the field, but those guys also can kill a drive with turnovers. Go watch Matt Stafford and the Lions to see a perfect example of this type of concept.

As long as he's not the lock-stock-and-two-smoking-barrels "answer," and is replaced by the 2015 season, that isn't an issue (other than overpayment for him in the first place).

WTF? If the guy is winning games and has the Chiefs in the playoff hunt, why in the world would you look to replace him? So your Madden team or Chiefs heavy fantasy team can kick a little more ass? **** that. That's dumb as shit in the thought process department.

As long as a 2013 QB class guy isn't a "Star" type QB by the end of the 2014 season, I wouldn't even say it was an issue.

But if Geno Smith or Manuel or Matt Barkley, etc., is a star by that time? Yikes.

Yikes what? If the Chiefs win, who gives a shit? It's the same thing. And those three guys will most likely never reach what Cam Newton has put up statistically and how many championships has he won? Also, how's that "we should have given up what the Redskins gave up for Griffin" thing looking right about now?

You ****ing people and your fascination with "let's draft any QB available just so we can say we drafted one in the first round." It's pretty ****ing sad actually and would have netted us world class turds like Jimmy Clausen and Mark Sanchez if some of you had a say in it.

But Alex Smith has this team at 3-0 for the first time in eons and you are already looking to replace him just so you can say the Chiefs drafted a dude by themselves.

Idiots.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

There's no reason why we shouldn't think this franchises best days are ahead.

Well they certainly aren't behind.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead

Well they certainly aren't behind.

No shit. I think Reid is the franchises best coach since Stram.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

No shit. I think Reid is the franchises best coach since Stram.

The offense you witnessed Thursday makes you proclaim this?

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate

The offense you witnessed Thursday makes you proclaim this?

The ability to get the most out of his players.

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate

The offense you witnessed Thursday makes you proclaim this?

If this is all you see with this team you are far more reeruned than I could ever imagine.

Please OD on meth.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

The ability to get the most out of his players.

I can buy that. I see Stram as the most innovative HC the AFC has probably ever had, so it's hard for me to see Reid in that light.

Originally Posted by BCD

If this is all you see with this team you are far more reeruned than I could ever imagine.

Please OD on meth.

As to you; the line for removing the choco-semen from your face and lips forms on the left.

(you know, due to that hot facial Geno gave you today?)

[duncan_idaho]

[QUOTE=Saccopoo;10009496]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Well, when one considers that he was a special teams fumble+turnover away from being the starting QB in the Superbowl in 2012, and was leading the best team in the NFC (and leading the NFL in several QB categories) prior to his minor injury which led to the now (in)famous Harbaugh QB switch, I'd say he's a QB who can carry an offense against elite teams.



Considering that football gets played on both sides of the ball by 22 different guys, and that the Chiefs best players are Jamaal Charles and all those first round draft picks on the defensive side of the ball, why wouldn't you want to make sure that you crafted a game plan with those specific guys in mind?

Having a QB that doesn't turn the ball over and who is capable of running a solid, well executed ball control offense in conjunction with a top defense, top running back and top punter to control the field position is what most teams in the NFL would love. That's a pretty solid formula for winning a lot of games.

I get the fascination of having a QB that's capable of stretching the field, but those guys also can kill a drive with turnovers. Go watch Matt Stafford and the Lions to see a perfect example of this type of concept.



WTF? If the guy is winning games and has the Chiefs in the playoff hunt, why in the world would you look to replace him? So your Madden team or Chiefs heavy fantasy team can kick a little more ass? **** that. That's dumb as shit in the thought process department.



Yikes what? If the Chiefs win, who gives a shit? It's the same thing. And those three guys will most likely never reach what Cam Newton has put up statistically and how many championships has he won? Also, how's that "we should have given up what the Redskins gave up for Griffin" thing looking right about now?

You ****ing people and your fascination with "let's draft any QB available just so we can say we drafted one in the first round." It's pretty ****ing sad actually and would have netted us world class turds like Jimmy Clausen and Mark Sanchez if some of you had a say in it.

But Alex Smith has this team at 3-0 for the first time in eons and you are already looking to replace him just so you can say the Chiefs drafted a dude by themselves.

Idiots.

Sacc -

Let me start by saying:

I was not dumb enough to draft any Chiefs receiver in any of my fantasy leagues. I avoided them like the plague, in fact (though I did take a stab at Travis Kelce in an extremely deep (24-man roster) league. I did, however, take Ryan Succop in several.

So fantasy football has nothing to do with this.

Moving on...

Re: Being a fumble away... he was also a few third-down conversions away from being in the Super Bowl, so there's that. Smith wasn't exactly a star in that NFC Championship Game.

Drafting a QB in the first just to draft a guy also has nothing to do with it. Having a QB who is a star is everything to do with it. That's the best way to win consistently at a high level and have a real chance in the playoffs, time after time.

If Alex Smith can be that, cool. I'm still waiting for signs that he can. I want him replaced if he doesn't show he is better than he has played so far, if he doesn't elevate his game from "good game manager" to star QB. I wouldn't call my feeling "anxious" to replace him. It's more like I've got a quick hook.

I don't believe "good game manager" is going to be good enough to win in the playoffs. If KC makes the playoffs this year and next and that fear/belief plays out, and EJ Manuel or Geno Smith is a star by that time, then HELL YES I'm going to say YIKES.

Pairing this defense with a star QB would be deadly.

[RealSNR]

I read the last handful of pages.

DeezNutz is speaking the truth, but the shitty part for him is that at the end of the argument, his opponents will say ONE thing, the argument is over, and Deez lost.

"3-0."

And the shitty part for Deez's opponents is that the only way for them to open their goddamn ears and rationalize what Smith actually is as a QB is to lose in the playoffs, realizing that this kind of winning is unsustainable. It will be painful and disheartening, just like the Cassel loss in 2010 was.

I'm not saying we need to turn this place into SchopenhauerPlanet or anything, but it would be nice if people would actually address concerns raised about Alex Smith instead of turning a deaf ear to it all and constantly whacking off to 3-0.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

Alex Smith will always be limited.

The thing is Andy has shown he's not married to a qb. This isn't Herm who backed his way into a few playoffs or the Pioli era where he road Tom Bradys coatails. Reid has won a lot of games playoffs included. There's no reason why we shouldn't think this franchises best days are ahead.

I like everything about the direction of the franchise, with one exception. I am worried about the QB spot. Other than that, it's gravy.

If Reid isn't married to Alex Smith at this point, that's encouraging. As I've said several times, as a Chiefs fan (with my heart), I hope Alex Smith can take a step up and be better and be a QB worth marrying. I just need to see that before I'll believe it.

Still waiting... still watching... still hoping to see it consistently (and not just in glimpses like we saw Thursday night).

[Saccopoo]

[QUOTE=duncan_idaho;10009552]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Sacc -

Let me start by saying:

I was not dumb enough to draft any Chiefs receiver in any of my fantasy leagues. I avoided them like the plague, in fact (though I did take a stab at Travis Kelce in an extremely deep (24-man roster) league. I did, however, take Ryan Succop in several.

So fantasy football has nothing to do with this.

Moving on...

Re: Being a fumble away... he was also a few third-down conversions away from being in the Super Bowl, so there's that. Smith wasn't exactly a star in that NFC Championship Game.

Drafting a QB in the first just to draft a guy also has nothing to do with it. Having a QB who is a star is everything to do with it. That's the best way to win consistently at a high level and have a real chance in the playoffs, time after time.

If Alex Smith can be that, cool. I'm still waiting for signs that he can. I want him replaced if he doesn't show he is better than he has played so far, if he doesn't elevate his game from "good game manager" to star QB. I wouldn't call my feeling "anxious" to replace him. It's more like I've got a quick hook.

I don't believe "good game manager" is going to be good enough to win in the playoffs. If KC makes the playoffs this year and next and that fear/belief plays out, and EJ Manuel or Geno Smith is a star by that time, then HELL YES I'm going to say YIKES.

Pairing this defense with a star QB would be deadly.

Pairing this defense with a QB who understands ball control, time management and field position makes them deadly.

This is the same defensive players we saw last year with the exception of Sean Smith and Mike DeVito.

Cassel killed these guys with his turnovers and inability to sustain a drive.

Smith, playing in an Andy Reid offense, is the type of QB who will keep these guys fresh and let them attack the ball versus having to play against the ball as you saw last season and the previous three with Cassel.

This defense is already deadly.

[Ragged Robin]

Originally Posted by SNR

I read the last handful of pages.

DeezNutz is speaking the truth, but the shitty part for him is that at the end of the argument, his opponents will say ONE thing, the argument is over, and Deez lost.

"3-0."

And the shitty part for Deez's opponents is that the only way for them to open their goddamn ears and rationalize what Smith actually is as a QB is to lose in the playoffs, realizing that this kind of winning is unsustainable. It will be painful and disheartening, just like the Cassel loss in 2010 was.

I'm not saying we need to turn this place into SchopenhauerPlanet or anything, but it would be nice if people would actually address concerns raised about Alex Smith instead of turning a deaf ear to it all and constantly whacking off to 3-0.

This sounds like it's coming from a fan of a team that's been eliminated in playoff contention for years. We're SUPPOSED to be in a rebuilding state right now. This is Andy's first year. We just witnessed a 2-14 season and we've just started 3-0 and you want to complain that it's not good enough because you want a QB blowing people up in those games instead (which, I would hope, would result in 3-0 anyway)? Also, who was the QB available at the time that would have done this? I'm really baffled at all the whining and crying going on about a 3-0 team with a QB that's thrown 4 TDs to 0 INTs, especially after the QB play from a year ago.

[duncan_idaho]

[QUOTE=Saccopoo;10009575]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Pairing this defense with a QB who understands ball control, time management and field position makes them deadly.

This is the same defensive players we saw last year with the exception of Sean Smith and Mike DeVito.

Cassel killed these guys with his turnovers and inability to sustain a drive.

Smith, playing in an Andy Reid offense, is the type of QB who will keep these guys fresh and let them attack the ball versus having to play against the ball as you saw last season and the previous three with Cassel.

This defense is already deadly.

Sure, the defense is helped by the offense not screwing them consistently. It's also helped considerably by the steps forward taken by guys like Dontari Poe and Eric Berry (whose health and experience seem to be allowing him to finally live up to ALL of the hype rather than 80 percent of it).

But the success of that type of football tends to expire with the end of the regular season and start of the playoffs.

I need to see MORE of Alex Smith making plays in tough spots before I'll believe he can translate that success to the postseason.

[O.city]

I don't think the offense we are seeing right now, is the same one we will see in week 10, or 16. It's still in it's young phases of figuring itself out.

That said, Alex Smith has gotten better each week, statistically speaking, as well as has looked more comfortable at times.

Again, I don't think anyone here doesn't want the Chiefs to have an elite QB, but it isn't as if those guys are everywhere.

It seems to come back to the whole elite or bust. How many truly elite guys are there out there that can beat elite teams by himself consistently? 4?