Keep f***ing doubting Alex Smith

[Hammock Parties]

The title of the thread says it all....

**** you doubters. He plays with heart, and he continues to get the job done. You people who bash Alex, I don't even consider true fans. He plays his heart out every week, and you continue to bash him...

Keep bashing him, I'll keep backing him.

[Saccopoo]

[QUOTE=duncan_idaho;10009771]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

I don't play Madden, either. Also has nothing to do with this.

Yes, a win is a win. And getting them in the regular season is much easier than getting them in the postseason.

I don't need to see Alex Smith win a Super Bowl before I get on the bandwagon. I need to see him step up his game and be more aggressive. That could happen next week, in two weeks, next month, etc.

Sorry, but I don't get the unabashed optimism from some around here. As DeezNutz said, we have seen this movie before. I'm not going to apologize for expecting "Game manager QB, great defense Part 6" to end like the first 5 films.

It's not him stepping up his game. It's him playing into the system and working with the template given to him by Reid.

I see a guy working through progressions quickly and taking advantage of what the defense gives him on a given play.

I see a guy being able to quickly assess a deteriorating pocket and get positive yards out of it with his mobility.

I see a guy knowing where the first down marker is and making sure the ball is there.

I see a guy who is operating behind an offensive line that has been a penalty machine and sieve so far and still hasn't turned the ball over.

People are quick to use the "game manager" tag simply because a guy isn't throwing for 400 yards every time out and taking risks with the ball. Smith has been prolific in terms of his distribution of the ball, precise in his ball placement, efficient in his use of game clock and creative in his ability to scramble.

He's simply a different QB than, say, Drew Brees or Peyton Manning.

Like I said before, he's 22-5-1 with an NFC championship under his belt the past three seasons.

I think people are putting way too much stock into what he was prior to 2011 when he was forced to play under some of the worst coaches in the NFL in the past decade and six different offensive coordinators. And Reid is the best he'll have worked with in terms of his style of play melding with coaching philosophy.

One needs to remember that it's only game three in a completely new system playing behind an offensive line that has been downright horrible so far. And were still 3-0.

That's not optimism, that's reality. And I don't need Smith to be more aggressive versus calculating if he keeps putting up the wins. Aggressive can lose you games. We are already winning them.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Winning 22 out of 28 is certainly not a fluke in this league

[MeatRock]

Nice Avi Sac. Mechwarrior's a great game.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

What concerns?

I mean really. What concerns?

That he's not Matt Stafford?

What do you want?

And not that it matters much, because if you want something more than Smith, you aren't going to get it because Reid has already stated that he's wanted Smith as his QB for a while now and with Smith being 29, he's still got a minimum of five years in his "prime" stage as an NFL QB.

If you want to take a dump on this team and Smith because he's not hitting your expected fantasy numbers then I guess that's your option, but at the end of the day this team is 3-0 with him playing mistake free football.

The hypothetical world of "we'd be so kick ass if we had Elway in his prime" isn't going to happen. Not a single chance of it.

We seem to keep coming back to Matt Stafford, and that's not it. Surely you recognize that there's a happy medium of ideal QB play between "**** IT I'M GONNA THROW SO HARD AAAARRRGGGH" and "Don't hurt me I'm just a brokedick here I'll go down so you can touch me and get the sack."

Even you, Saccopoo, sworn to defend and electronically fellate any and all players from Utah, have to recognize that Alex Smith tends to lean more towards the latter on this spectrum. It would be nice if he would snap out of that a bit, and if he is incapable of doing so, we need to find a guy who will.

[JENKINSWINS]

In any sport 22-5 is a record that one can call beast mode! Is that the winningest record for all QBs in the last 3 seasons? It's got to be pretty damn close if it's not.

[KCrockaholic]

Is that the 49ers locker room in that pic? Looks like shit.

[AlexSmithDynasty]

Originally Posted by KCrockaholic

Is that the 49ers locker room in that pic? Looks like shit.

Candlestick is a urine soaked hell hole.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by PGM

Winning 22 out of 28 is certainly not a fluke in this league

Meaningless unless said QB is a Top Five Fantasy point generator

[|Zach|]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Meaningless unless said QB is a Top Five Fantasy point generator

Ha.

[|Zach|]

The offense as it is...isn't something that is sustainable for success but I think it can and will get better over the course of a season. You see it all the time. The fact that we have had this success at the ground floor (new coach and new QB starting) is very encouraging.

There is also something to be said for getting shit done at important times. This not only goes for Alex but for our line. A team rising to the occasion and its level of play when we absolutely need it is great to see.

We deserve to be 3-0 but i agree with people that feel like the offense and Smith need to be better. However I see no reason that can't happen as the season progresses.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by SNR

We seem to keep coming back to Matt Stafford, and that's not it. Surely you recognize that there's a happy medium of ideal QB play between "**** IT I'M GONNA THROW SO HARD AAAARRRGGGH" and "Don't hurt me I'm just a brokedick here I'll go down so you can touch me and get the sack."

Even you, Saccopoo, sworn to defend and electronically fellate any and all players from Utah, have to recognize that Alex Smith tends to lean more towards the latter on this spectrum. It would be nice if he would snap out of that a bit, and if he is incapable of doing so, we need to find a guy who will.

I don't know...

He's definitely not a Blaine Gabbert/Matt Cassel full-fetal position type of guy. He's very smart with the ball and will take a sack versus hang it up for the defense to go get, but he's also savvy enough and athletic enough that he will use his feet for positive yardage when line protection breaks down. And I've seen enough of him that he's shown the ability to take a hit to deliver the ball.

Personally, I think he's done a pretty decent job with moving the offense forward on the field considering the duress he's been under the first three games while the line continues to gel. Imagine guys like Huard or Cassel back there these first three games. Hell, we've seen that, and Smith is nowhere close to that.

And Reid has built this team with the short to mid mentality. Fullbacks, tight ends, possession routes, etc. This is an offense that is designed to be calculating, efficient and diverse in that area of the field. It's why he coveted Smith - because that's the type of QB he is and what he functions best in.

I think you are conceptualizing that it's Smith alone that is holding the offense back (if that's your thought process, even though we are putting up the yardage and winning the games despite the lack of functional tight ends, a legitimate possession receiver and a virtual sieve for an offensive line outside of Hudson and Schwartz), and I don't think that's the case at all. Quite the opposite in fact. However, it goes deeper than simply looking at a box score and noting the passing yards.

You and some others are advocating "finding a guy who won't hold the offense back," but yet the Chiefs are 3-0.

My point with Stafford is that the Lions with Stafford are pushing the ball down the field, racking up huge numbers in the process, and they still suck. They barely beat a historically bad defensive team in the Redskins today, and Stafford has the best receiver in the game to throw to as well as a first round tight end.

While it may fly in the face of what some people think an offense should be, especially in the post 2004 era of the NFL, Alex Smith wins ball games playing the way he does. 22-5-1 in his starts over the past three seasons. That's better than Manning and Brees and whoever else you want to compare him with. Only Tom Brady equals that mark over the same period.

And now he's coupled with Reid, who, when not saddled with occupational distractions that go beyond purely coaching the team and family problems, is one of the better offensive minded coaches and successful coaches over the past decade, and you and others want to get rid of Smith because you think he's holding the offense back? After Reid said that Smith is the guy he wanted for years? Jim Harbaugh apparently thought the same way you do, and what are the results of that?

Eh...I'm pretty sick of losing.

I'll take Smith, Reid and the wins, thank you very much.

[vailpass]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

I don't know...

He's definitely not a Blaine Gabbert/Matt Cassel full-fetal position type of guy. He's very smart with the ball and will take a sack versus hang it up for the defense to go get, but he's also savvy enough and athletic enough that he will use his feet for positive yardage when line protection breaks down. And I've seen enough of him that he's shown the ability to take a hit to deliver the ball.

Personally, I think he's done a pretty decent job with moving the offense forward on the field considering the duress he's been under the first three games while the line continues to gel. Imagine guys like Huard or Cassel back there these first three games. Hell, we've seen that, and Smith is nowhere close to that.

And Reid has built this team with the short to mid mentality. Fullbacks, tight ends, possession routes, etc. This is an offense that is designed to be calculating, efficient and diverse in that area of the field. It's why he coveted Smith - because that's the type of QB he is and what he functions best in.

I think you are conceptualizing that it's Smith alone that is holding the offense back (if that's your thought process, even though we are putting up the yardage and winning the games despite the lack of functional tight ends, a legitimate possession receiver and a virtual sieve for an offensive line outside of Hudson and Schwartz), and I don't think that's the case at all. Quite the opposite in fact. However, it goes deeper than simply looking at a box score and noting the passing yards.

You and some others are advocating "finding a guy who won't hold the offense back," but yet the Chiefs are 3-0.

My point with Stafford is that the Lions with Stafford are pushing the ball down the field, racking up huge numbers in the process, and they still suck. They barely beat a historically bad defensive team in the Redskins today, and Stafford has the best receiver in the game to throw to as well as a first round tight end.

While it may fly in the face of what some people think an offense should be, especially in the post 2004 era of the NFL, Alex Smith wins ball games playing the way he does. 22-5-1 in his starts over the past three seasons. That's better than Manning and Brees and whoever else you want to compare him with. Only Tom Brady equals that mark over the same period.

And now he's coupled with Reid, who, when not saddled with occupational distractions that go beyond purely coaching the team and family problems, is one of the better offensive minded coaches and successful coaches over the past decade, and you and others want to get rid of Smith because you think he's holding the offense back? After Reid said that Smith is the guy he wanted for years? Jim Harbaugh apparently thought the same way you do, and what are the results of that?

Eh...I'm pretty sick of losing.

I'll take Smith, Reid and the wins, thank you very much.

As you should. Some people would bitch if you hung them with a new rope.
Yes, your O needs to get better. But 3-0? After last year? Smell the roses.

[Alex Smiff]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Meaningless unless said QB is a Top Five Fantasy point generator

Tebow fanboy logic. "But he's winning" - despite everyone else carrying him.

Not saying Smith didn't contribute in some of those games. But there were many games where Alex did absolutely nothing and his D and special teams generated the production. Go look at the numbers. He has several 0 TD 150 yard games that he won. He gets way too much credit for those ugly wins.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by MeatRock

Nice Avi Sac. Mechwarrior's a great game.

You ****ing know it!

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[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by Alex Smiff

Tebow fanboy logic. "But he's winning" - despite everyone else carrying him.

Not saying Smith didn't contribute in some of those games. But there were many games where Alex did absolutely nothing and his D and special teams generated the production. Go look at the numbers. He has several 0 TD 150 yard games that he won. He gets way too much credit for those ugly wins.

22-5-1 as a starter over the past three seasons ain't a fluke Sport.

And to make it a little more painfully obvious, Alex Smith is 3-0 in 2013 on a team who finished the season as the worst team in the NFL in 2012.

Kaepernick is 1-2 in 2013 coming off a Super Bowl appearance in 2012.

Suck it.