Junior Seau dead, probable suicide

[redfan]

One of those players you wished played for your own team, RIP.

[boogblaster]

RIP .. good player .....

[Setsuna]

Anyone in celebrity death thread pick him?

[Marcellus]

I heard today that Seau was never on any injury report for any type of head injury during his career.

That being said, even if he had a head injury history............

If you tell these guys to play in the league and get paid millions they risk potential head injury type issues later in life.

How many decide not to play?

[Stanley Nickels]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

I heard today that Seau was never on any injury report for any type of head injury during his career.

That being said, even if he had a head injury history............

If you tell these guys to play in the league and get paid millions they risk potential head injury type issues later in life.

How many decide not to play?

Depends. How many are prevented from the sport by parents who are now more aware of the consequences of aggregate head trauma? Probably a small-ish percentage (say, 10-20%), but enough to make a significant impact on the sport's popularity at that age. Say those kids, instead, are put into basketball and baseball and soccer, and are fans of those sports instead. Now you're talking about the financial success of the league.. what happens when the NFL sees lower gate receipt totals and smaller TV contracts because that generation now spends their disposable income to watch other sports? This seems like a logically fallacious argument, but it definitely is plausible.

[Stanley Nickels]

I've pretty much given up on arguing with anyone about the supposed "selfishness" of suicide, because I've come to believe that many people are simply incapable of empathic cognitive behavior and cannot understand mental illnesses.

If anything Junior Seau should be the posterboy for this line of thinking: he's tremendously successful, wealthy (I'm supposing), in great shape for his age, has children... and yet, he still kills himself. That is either the most selfish, hateful, shameful thing you can ever do, or a product of some major neurological trauma. He had all the reasons to live and the money to get the best help available, and still shoots himself in the chest. No, the truly selfish thing here is appealing to the "logical high ground" of how those people simply can't rationalize their importance in the lives of others. Bullshit.

[BryanBusby]

Originally Posted by Stanley Nickels

I've pretty much given up on arguing with anyone about the supposed "selfishness" of suicide, because I've come to believe that many people are simply incapable of empathic cognitive behavior and cannot understand mental illnesses.

If anything Junior Seau should be the posterboy for this line of thinking: he's tremendously successful, wealthy (I'm supposing), in great shape for his age, has children... and yet, he still kills himself. That is either the most selfish, hateful, shameful thing you can ever do, or a product of some major neurological trauma. He had all the reasons to live and the money to get the best help available, and still shoots himself in the chest. No, the truly selfish thing here is appealing to the "logical high ground" of how those people simply can't rationalize their importance in the lives of others. Bullshit.

If anyone actually believes he was just selfish, go slam your head on the sidewalk a few times every Sunday for 6 months for oh about 20 years.

[memyselfI]

Originally Posted by Stanley Nickels

I've pretty much given up on arguing with anyone about the supposed "selfishness" of suicide, because I've come to believe that many people are simply incapable of empathic cognitive behavior and cannot understand mental illnesses.

If anything Junior Seau should be the posterboy for this line of thinking: he's tremendously successful, wealthy (I'm supposing), in great shape for his age, has children... and yet, he still kills himself. That is either the most selfish, hateful, shameful thing you can ever do, or a product of some major neurological trauma. He had all the reasons to live and the money to get the best help available, and still shoots himself in the chest. No, the truly selfish thing here is appealing to the "logical high ground" of how those people simply can't rationalize their importance in the lives of others. Bullshit.

I used this line of thinking in discussing this with my 16 year old son earlier today. He couldn't grasp how someone with so much to live for could kill themselves. I explained to him that is sometimes the rub. You have so many wonderful things, a dream life, and should be happy but that makes the pain and guilt more unbearable.

Most of us live with the notion that if we just had ___ we'd be happy. What happens when you actually get ____ plus more and you are uncontrollably in pain and miserable? Obviously, Seau had some serious pain. Very sad.

[notorious]

Possible head injury

+

Being the center of the world for decades

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Only knowing one way of life

-

Money

=

Depression

[Simply Red]

Originally Posted by notorious

Possible head injury

+

Being the center of the world for decades

+

Only knowing one way of life

-

Money

=

Depression

This is pretty much dead on IMO.

[Al Bundy]

I have suffered many concussions in my life, also being on the edge of committing suicide. I was lucky, someone saved my life. Once you get to that point you are no longer yourself... and you have lost control. My heart breaks for his children and his other family. Really a tragedy for a great guy from all accounts. R.I.P. Junior Seau.

[Vick Catcher]

Sad. I think after his brain is examined and studied this will be another case of CTE.

[Dayze]

Six times more if I remember correctly. Someone posted a link to it I think in this thread

[headsnap]

Originally Posted by Dayze

Six times more if I remember correctly. Someone posted a link to it I think in this thread

I wonder what the suicide rate of non NFL players that that retired at a relative young age from the one thing they worked for since a very young age and reached the pinnacle of that thing that they had worked for...


yes, losing your identity and purpose sucks bad...

[Aries Walker]

To anyone who thinks depression is a crutch, and discounts its severity: Consider yourself lucky. Speaking as someone who, while I don't have it myself, has been around it and its trail of devastation for decades now, I hope you never have reason to change your mind.