Chiefs So what exactly has Pioli done? - Page 4

B_Ambuehl · 01-13-2009, 03:21 PM

On his own, that didn't involve Bill Belichik having influence and final authority?

Just remember a lot of fans from Notre Dame, NY, and Cleveland were going ape shit wild over Weiss, Mangina, and Crennel and without Belichik all 3 were basically flops. Josh McDaniels and Pioli could very easily be added to that list as well.

I'll remain skeptical until he proves himself.

**007** · 01-13-2009, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by beavis

I bet if someone handed you $100, you'd be pissed that it wasn't $200.

this

ChiefsCountry · 01-13-2009, 04:29 PM

Another dumbass thread by B_Ambuehl imagine that.

warrior · 01-13-2009, 04:30 PM

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http://uponfurtherreview.kansascity.com/?q=node/401

1. Pioli was with Bill Belichick for nine seasons and the duo was the longest-tenured coach-personnel man duo going in the NFL. During those nine seasons, the Patriots won three Super Bowls, four AFC titles and six division championships. How much of it was Belichick and how much was Pioli? Chiefs fans are happily about to find out the answer.

2. Pioli was a two-time winner as the NFL Young Executive of the Year Award, in 2003 and 2004. Well, blow me to smithereens, I didn't know such an award existed. But it's an impressive feat anyway. The other execs to win the award twice in a row were Bill Polian and Bobby Beathard and Pioli was younger than both them when he won. That's some seriously good company to run in.

3. Some really impressive personnel facts from the Patriots' mini-dynasty:

* In 2005, the Patriots set a post-merger league record for a division champion by utilizing 45 different starters
* In 2003, the Patriots won Super Bowl XXXVIII despite using 42 different starters, the most in league history by a Super Bowl champion
* Last season, the Patriots tied the all-time NFL record with 21 different players scoring touchdowns
* Of the 53 players on the Patriots' Super Bowl XLII roster, 43 were acquired after the team's first championship in 2001 and 31 were acquired since the team's third title in 2004

4. In 2007, six Patriots players drafted by Belichick and Pioli were selected to the Pro Bowl and were named to the Associated Press All-Pro first or second teams: Tom Brady (sixth round), Dan Koppen (fifth round), Matt Light (second round), Logan Mankins (first round), Asante Samuel (fourth round) and Vince Wilfork (first round).

5. This is a quote from a Super Bowl Bowl press conference that, to me, would have made me want to kiss Pioli on the mouth if I were hiring him to run my football team. It's about the most valuable lesson he's learned as a personnel man: "Not to get caught up in the numbers. The things like height, weight and speed. The test numbers. It's not getting too caught up in numbers. I've made mistakes by getting caught up with the workouts. Tom Brady took some heat recently when they showed a video of his running a 40-yard dash. Tommy's speed and running has nothing to do with his pocket presence. Here is a guy, he has vision. He has the feel. He has the sense. He knows when to step up, so his athleticism is due to his awareness. Ted Bruschi, his instincts are incredible. They're rare. He plays a lot faster than what his numbers on paper would indicate. Ty Warren's strength-I remember when Ty was coming out, his overall wasn't great but he has this brute strength. Wes Welker is another guy. He has enough quickness to get away from folks."

In other words, he targets guys that look good playing football, not just standing there in a uniform. It seems obvious, but the production over potential issue is one that tugs at every talent evaluator in every sport. I cast my lot with the production crowd. It took awhile, but I think Clark Hunt has made a great move for the future of football in Kansas City.

Good post

B_Ambuehl · 01-13-2009, 04:34 PM

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1. Pioli was with Bill Belichick for nine seasons and the duo was the longest-tenured coach-personnel man duo going in the NFL. During those nine seasons, the Patriots won three Super Bowls, four AFC titles and six division championships. How much of it was Belichick and how much was Pioli? Chiefs fans are happily about to find out the answer.

It sounds to me like Chiefs fans have already determined who "the man" was. Just like they did with Dorsey and his ability to control the line of scrimmage. Just like they did with Herm and the dominating D he was gonna bring.

oaklandhater · 01-13-2009, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

It sounds to me like Chiefs fans have already determined who "the man" was. Just like they did with Dorsey and his ability to control the line of scrimmage. Just like they did with Herm and the dominating D he was gonna bring.

lol there was very few ppl who were happy to bring in herm

**007** · 01-13-2009, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

It sounds to me like Chiefs fans have already determined who "the man" was. Just like they did with Dorsey and his ability to control the line of scrimmage. Just like they did with Herm and the dominating D he was gonna bring.

Where the hell have you been? I certainly don't remember too many being happy about that hire. I know I was pissed.

siberian khatru · 01-13-2009, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SportsRacer

He's been highly successful at not being Carl Peterson.

beach tribe · 01-13-2009, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

It sounds to me like Chiefs fans have already determined who "the man" was. Just like they did with Dorsey and his ability to control the line of scrimmage. Just like they did with Herm and the dominating D he was gonna bring.

Jeez, way to try, and shit on a great day.

Fail.

Edit: I deleted it off my computer too. It's disgusting.

Deberg_1990 · 01-13-2009, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

I'll remain skeptical until he proves himself.

Who in your opinion would have been a better and more qualified hire?

**Dartgod** · 01-13-2009, 04:46 PM

He fought in two World Wars and countless smaller ones on three continents. He led thousands of men into battle with everything from horses and swords to artillery and tanks. He's seen the headwaters of the Nile, and tribes of natives no white man had ever seen before. He's won and lost a dozen fortunes, KILLED MANY MEN and loved only one woman with a passion a FLEA like you could never begin to understand. That's who he is. NOW, GO HOME, BOY!

KChiefs1 · 01-13-2009, 04:56 PM

What has Pioli done?

The guy can obviously eat because he is one fat Mofo.

ncCHIEFfan · 01-13-2009, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

On his own, that didn't involve Bill Belichik having influence and final authority?

Just remember a lot of fans from Notre Dame, NY, and Cleveland were going ape shit wild over Weiss, Mangina, and Crennel and without Belichik all 3 were basically flops. Josh McDaniels and Pioli could very easily be added to that list as well.

I'll remain skeptical until he proves himself.

No one wins championships on their own and Belicheat is not a football god

TipRoast · 01-13-2009, 05:29 PM

Here's what Kraft and Belichick had to say about Pioli:

Said owner Robert Kraft: “Scott Pioli was an integral part of the many championships the New England Patriots have celebrated this decade and I would like to thank him for his countless contributions throughout the past nine seasons. Scott is a great evaluator of talent. He is thorough in his evaluations, extremely organized and has done a tremendous job mining all possible resources to help Coach Belichick and his staff field the players needed to win consistently. He has played an important role in building a championship tradition with players that I am proud to call Patriots. On behalf of the entire Patriots organization, I wish Scott continued success in his new role and offer best wishes to his wonderful wife Dallas, and their beautiful daughter Mia. I think Clark Hunt and the Kansas City Chiefs have made a very wise hire.”

Added Belichick: “To sum up in words everything Scott Pioli has meant to this organization and to me personally would be difficult, if not impossible. From the day I met him, he has demonstrated a passion for football and respect for the game that is second to none. It has been extremely gratifying for me to follow Scott’s career ascension from the bottom of the totem pole in Cleveland to his place as a pillar of championship teams in New England. Now with the opportunity to steer his own ship and a vision of building a winner, there is no more capable, hardworking, loyal, team-oriented person than Scott Pioli.

“On a personal level, the Belichick-Pioli bond runs far deeper than our workplace, as we and our families have shared countless memories away from football. Working side by side with one of my best friends for almost two decades is special enough in itself. But to help each other achieve success beyond our dreams is a blessing and something I will always remember and appreciate.”

B_Ambuehl · 01-13-2009, 05:42 PM

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Who in your opinion would have been a better and more qualified hire?

It's not that I think it was a bad hire. Pioli sounds good but you have to keep things in perspective. There may appear to be geniuses and saviors on a short term basis but few if any hires in the NFL are as good as advertised on a long term basis. The NFL stands for Not For Long. There aren't any guarantees. History across the NFL shows that sometime in the next 20 years, whether it's 2 years from now or 20, people in KC will want Pioli run out of town. Just like Belichik will eventually wear out his welcome in N.E. That's just the way the business works. Knowing that, my attitude is lets see what he can do. I don't look at him as a saviour just like I wouldn't look at anyone else as a saviour.

**The Bad Guy** · 01-13-2009, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

It's not that I think it was a bad hire. Pioli sounds good but you have to keep things in perspective. There may appear to be geniuses and saviors on a short term basis but few if any hires in the NFL are as good as advertised on a long term basis. The NFL stands for Not For Long. There aren't any guarantees. History across the NFL shows that sometime in the next 20 years, whether it's 2 years from now or 20, people in KC will want Pioli run out of town. Just like Belichik will eventually wear out his welcome in N.E. That's just the way the business works. Knowing that, my attitude is lets see what he can do. I don't look at him as a saviour just like I wouldn't look at anyone else as a saviour.

Well since you are wrong 100% of the time, it's a good sign for Pioli.

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TipRoast Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Casino cash: $9974900	Here's what Kraft and Belichick had to say about Pioli: Said owner Robert Kraft: “Scott Pioli was an integral part of the many championships the New England Patriots have celebrated this decade and I would like to thank him for his countless contributions throughout the past nine seasons. Scott is a great evaluator of talent. He is thorough in his evaluations, extremely organized and has done a tremendous job mining all possible resources to help Coach Belichick and his staff field the players needed to win consistently. He has played an important role in building a championship tradition with players that I am proud to call Patriots. On behalf of the entire Patriots organization, I wish Scott continued success in his new role and offer best wishes to his wonderful wife Dallas, and their beautiful daughter Mia. I think Clark Hunt and the Kansas City Chiefs have made a very wise hire.” Added Belichick: “To sum up in words everything Scott Pioli has meant to this organization and to me personally would be difficult, if not impossible. From the day I met him, he has demonstrated a passion for football and respect for the game that is second to none. It has been extremely gratifying for me to follow Scott’s career ascension from the bottom of the totem pole in Cleveland to his place as a pillar of championship teams in New England. Now with the opportunity to steer his own ship and a vision of building a winner, there is no more capable, hardworking, loyal, team-oriented person than Scott Pioli. “On a personal level, the Belichick-Pioli bond runs far deeper than our workplace, as we and our families have shared countless memories away from football. Working side by side with one of my best friends for almost two decades is special enough in itself. But to help each other achieve success beyond our dreams is a blessing and something I will always remember and appreciate.”
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