Talks with Eric Berry for extension 'ramping up'

[pugsnotdrugs19]

While #Panthers & #Broncos prepare for #SB50, teams doing business: #Chiefs ramping up talks with Eric Berry for an extension, for instance.

— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) February 3, 2016

Per Ian Rapoport.

To the few out there who think we don't need this guy for a good price, happy to see that the front office is of course on the right side.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by bricks

Well you're entitled to your own opinion.

But I'll say this, any team in baseball would want Jose Bautista except for you.

Jose Bautista is a top 10 power hitter in the game. The stats are facts to prove it. Last year he was in the top 6 in both homeruns and RBIs yet you don't want him because you're a hater. What can I say, haters gonna hate and there is no justification. So be it.

Yeah Bautista is on the decline with respect to his defense but his bat still remains intact and probably will for the next 3 or 4 years. I think he will move to DH in a year or two. Do you know he is a free agent after this year? But wait, you'd want Kendrys Morales instead who is 2nd tier to Bautista. Makes perfect sense and defies logic let me tell ya.

Tulowitzki was a sh*t trade? Lolololol dude I'm laughing so hard that I think I might urinate in my pants for that. Tulowitzki is the best shortstop in the league bro. I'm confident he'll be just fine.

Tulo played like ****shit for the Jays and you call him the best shortstop in baseball?

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

When was the last time in free agency you saw a team leader like Berry who is playing the best football of his career at a prime age on the open market? Somebody who combines his ability and toughness and dedication all in one package?

The best teams don't let those players walk away. As frugal as the Patriots are with their players, they keep the really outstanding ones critical to their core.

Berry is a part of that core. The Chiefs (as evidenced by the thread headline) aren't going to let him get away because they're not run by ****ing morons like Meatloaf who say, "DON'T PAY HIM TOO MUCH!!!"

He's not getting a $100 million deal. Quit your bitching.

Yeah I mean again I think what NE gave McCourty is and should be right in the ballpark with EB here. You can't let those guys go.

If we were crazy enough to let Berry walk out the door we go from the deepest and best safety group arguably in the league to one of the worst. We don't even have Abdullah and/or Branch under contract.

[bricks]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

Tulo played like ****shit for the Jays and you call him the best shortstop in baseball?

One brief stint doesn't define who he is.

No shortshop in the game has as good 2 way game like Tulowitzki.

When you've been hitting and playing great defense at the shortshop position better than anybody else year after year, you deserve to be called the best shortshop in the game.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by bricks

One brief stint doesn't define who he is.

No shortshop in the game has as good 2 way game like Tulowitzki.

When you've been hitting and playing great defense at the shortshop position better than anybody else year after year, you deserve to be called the best shortshop in the game.

All I know is as a Royals fan, I was scared shitless of your lineup in the ALCS. Even Russell Martin made me nervous.

But there was one guy who never did. Troy Tulowitzki.

"**** the Jays have men on base, here comes another couple of... oh wait, it's Troy Tulo. Nevermind. We'll be fine."

Seriously, I said those words out loud while watching ALCS games this fall.

[Meatloaf]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

When was the last time in free agency you saw a team leader like Berry who is playing the best football of his career at a prime age on the open market? Somebody who combines his ability and toughness and dedication all in one package?

The best teams don't let those players walk away. As frugal as the Patriots are with their players, they keep the really outstanding ones critical to their core.

Berry is a part of that core. The Chiefs (as evidenced by the thread headline) aren't going to let him get away because they're not run by ****ing morons like Meatloaf who say, "DON'T PAY HIM TOO MUCH!!!"

He's not getting a $100 million deal. The Chiefs will give him a fair deal in the range of the league's top safeties. That's fair and totally worth it.

OHMYGOSH, using the Patriots as an example? Ok, tell me who their safeties are. Now, tell me who their QB is. The Patriots are good because they've had one of the best QBs in football for several years. As long as you have a premier QB, you're pretty much set (unless the guy gets hurt....ask Indy and Pittsburgh).

And what's so wrong about "not paying anyone too much"? Do you really want to pay someone too much? Who's the moron......oops, I mean ****ing moron?

But personal issues aside, SNR, I think the main issue is what each of us feel is a "fair deal" for Berry. You obviously think he's a key piece, and I don't feel it's prudent to put too many $$$ into the safety position. One moron to another....

[Meatloaf]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Yeah I mean again I think what NE gave McCourty is and should be right in the ballpark with EB here. You can't let those guys go.

If we were crazy enough to let Berry walk out the door we go from the deepest and best safety group arguably in the league to one of the worst. We don't even have Abdullah and/or Branch under contract.

Very good point, pugs. Obviously, we can't let all these guys walk. Hey, I'm most happy to have Berry; I'm just worried about putting too many bucks at that position. But, as I said, you bring up a good point. We've gotta sign someone!!!

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Meatloaf

OHMYGOSH, using the Patriots as an example? Ok, tell me who their safeties are. Now, tell me who their QB is. The Patriots are good because they've had one of the best QBs in football for several years. As long as you have a premier QB, you're pretty much set (unless the guy gets hurt....ask Indy and Pittsburgh).

And what's so wrong about "not paying anyone too much"? Do you really want to pay someone too much? Who's the moron......oops, I mean ****ing moron?

But personal issues aside, SNR, I think the main issue is what each of us feel is a "fair deal" for Berry. You obviously think he's a key piece, and I don't feel it's prudent to put too many $$$ into the safety position. One moron to another....

They've got the QB, so what's it to the Patriots if they spend $50 million at the safety position or the CB position?

They let talented players walk all the time, especially on defense. That's the point I was making. But they do spend money on guys like Julian Edelman and Rob ****ing Ninkovich because they're key cogs to that team.

Safety isn't interior offensive line. It's not the SAM backer in a 3-4. It's not fullback. It has value to your team if you get a phenomenal player in that position because that player is phenomenal. The safety position isn't as limited to its function in a defense as much as you think it is as long as the player is of that high caliber. And I may be exaggerating when I say you're equating the safety position with a ****ing long snapper, but really not by much.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

All I know is as a Royals fan, I was scared shitless of your lineup in the ALCS. Even Russell Martin made me nervous.

But there was one guy who never did. Troy Tulowitzki.

"**** the Jays have men on base, here comes another couple of... oh wait, it's Troy Tulo. Nevermind. We'll be fine."

Seriously, I said those words out loud while watching ALCS games this fall.

Damn. So did I. He was the only guy I didn't sweat over.

[Meatloaf]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

They've got the QB, so what's it to the Patriots if they spend $50 million at the safety position or the CB position?

They let talented players walk all the time, especially on defense. That's the point I was making. But they do spend money on guys like Julian Edelman and Rob ****ing Ninkovich because they're key cogs to that team.

Safety isn't interior offensive line. It's not the SAM backer in a 3-4. It's not fullback. It has value to your team if you get a phenomenal player in that position because that player is phenomenal. The safety position isn't as limited to its function in a defense as much as you think it is as long as the player is of that high caliber. And I may be exaggerating when I say you're equating the safety position with a ****ing long snapper, but really not by much.

Nah, I get your drift. I'm probably overdoing it on Berry, but honestly, I've never been overly-enamored with his play. He's good, but in my mind, not great.

I think many on CP have fallen in love with Berry's story, and see him as Superman -- which he may be (in a cancer-beating sense). I just don't see him as that in a football sense. Am I missing something? Do you all remember him making some MAJOR plays in winning games? Like I said, maybe I'm missing something, but I just don't see him as that game-changing type guy.

[Gonzo]

IMHO pay him whatever is needed to keep him. He's the anchor of the defense.

[jspchief]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

You want good players, you pay for good players. What you DON'T do is draft good players and then let them walk when their first contract comes due.

I don't care how much they pay Berry. It's the cost of building a good team.

Pretty much. You can't spout a philosophy of building through the draft then let your drafted super stars walk on their 2nd contract.

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by Gonzo

IMHO pay him whatever is needed to keep him. He's the anchor of the defense.

The proverbial heart and soul of the defense

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by jspchief

Pretty much. You can't spout a philosophy of building through the draft then let your drafted super stars walk on their 2nd contract.

He's been in the league for six full seasons, so his situation is rare in today's NFL.

Poe on the other hand...

[BlackOp]

Originally Posted by Meatloaf

I think many on CP have fallen in love with Berry's story, and see him as Superman -- which he may be (in a cancer-beating sense). I just don't see him as that in a football sense. Am I missing something? Do you all remember him making some MAJOR plays in winning games? Like I said, maybe I'm missing something, but I just don't see him as that game-changing type guy.

I agree with this...he did give up the game winning TD against NE. He blew that one big time.

Any other player would have been roasted around here......apparently beating cancer gives you an excuse on the football feild too.

KC was terrible without 2 quality starting CBs....they could live without Berry. Drafting DJ's replacement should be priority #1...drafting S.Smiths replacement is #1a after they resign him. Chiefs could get two above average safeties for what EB will cost. In Sutton's scheme CB is more important...

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BlackOp

I agree with this...he did give up the game winning TD against NE. He blew that one big time.

Any other player would have been roasted around here......apparently beating cancer gives you an excuse on the football feild too.

KC was terrible without 2 quality starting CBs....they could live without Berry. Drafting DJ's replacement should be priority #1...drafting S.Smiths replacement is #1a after they resign him. Chiefs could get two above average safeties for what EB will cost. In Sutton's scheme CB is more important...

There's a huge difference between fandom and play on the field.

The overwhelming majority of Chiefplanet has always confused the two.