Football schwartz aiming for Pederson job ?

oaklandhater · 09-10-2017, 01:09 AM

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/...html?mobi=true

Lombardi's criticism of Pederson raises the question: Is Schwartz angling for a promotion?

by Jeff McLane,

Doug Pederson said he had never heard of Mike Lombardi after the former NFL executive questioned his qualifications, coaching acumen, and future with the Eagles.

Pederson had just walked off the podium following a Monday news conference in which he defended himself against Lombardi’s criticism. But before parting the Eagles head coach asked a reporter, “Which NFL team does he work for?” The answer was no team, which seemed to be Pederson’s point.

But if he wanted more detail about Lombardi, who worked for six teams over 30 years, all he had to do was walk down to Jim Schwartz’s office to find out. The Eagles defensive coordinator got his NFL start when Lombardi, then the Browns personnel director, hired him nearly 25 years ago. They’ve remained friends ever since.

“Don’t link the two of us together in this because we’re friends because that’s not the case,” Lombardi said when asked Tuesday on Comcast’s Philly Sports Talk if the source of his blistering assessment was Schwartz. “One thing people know about me … I say what I think. I don’t have to wait for somebody else to tell me.”

And yet, Eagles coaches and players have made the link. Lombardi’s initial comments, which appeared on the web site The Ringer, have only fueled the belief from some in the NovaCare Complex that Schwartz has designs on Pederson’s job.

“Everybody knows Pederson isn’t a head coach. He might be less qualified to coach a team than anyone I’ve ever seen,” Lombardi said during the Ringer video segment. “When will the Eagles admit their mistake? Will they throw away 2017 by stubbornly sticking to the Pederson Principle?”

It isn’t unusual in today’s NFL climate for a coach to be on the hot seat after just one season. The 2016 Eagles finished with the same 7-9 record as they did the year before, and as Eagles owner Jeffery Lurie noted Thursday, Pederson inherited a locker room with leftover problems and a rookie quarterback named the starter just eight days before his first season.

But here we are, and not just because of Lombardi’s hit piece. Lurie said he was giving his coach a full endorsement during his “impromptu” news conference, but it was lukewarm compared with his appraisal of Eagles general manager Howie Roseman, who “has done a tremendous job” and in whom he “has total confidence.”

“I see him as someone who can keep improving,” Lurie said of Pederson. “He’s a listener. He’s a collaborator. I think he has terrific relationships with the players. The future is in front of him, and it’s there for the taking.”

Nowhere in Lurie’s comments did he mention Pederson’s coaching expertise – his ability to scheme, game-plan, and manage. He highlighted his “quarterback analysis” in the evaluation of Carson Wentz, his handling of “locker room chemistry,” and his putting “together a top-notch coaching staff.”

Roseman, though, led the way on hiring many of the coaches – in particular, Schwartz. To this day, Schwartz’s presence and media availability at Pederson’s introductory news conference in January 2016 defy logic. The Eagles were likely attempting to assuage fans who weren’t enthused by Pederson, who had gone from entry-level assistant to head coach in seven years.

Having Schwartz, a former head coach with a large personality, in the building always threatened to overshadow Pederson. Lombardi doubled down on his remarks during interviews with the Inquirer and PST. He said that Pederson wasn’t detail-oriented enough. He pointed out that Wentz and the Eagles offense had regressed last season.

And he questioned the second-year coach’s ability to stand in front of his team and inspire confidence – a bold presumption unless he gathered it from someone in the room. The only Eagles entity who escaped Lombardi’s wrath was Schwartz.

“When I was in Cleveland, I hired Jim Schwartz … He’s an outstanding football coach,” Lombardi said to the Inquirer. “I have nothing but great respect for him, and I think the Eagles’ success last year was their defense.”

On Tuesday, when a reporter asked Schwartz to comment on Lombardi in part because of their history, the coordinator said that he worked with many people around the NFL over the last quarter-century. He downplayed their relationship and said that he hadn’t seen Lombardi’s remarks on Pederson, that he only knew the general premise.

Lombardi said that he doesn’t talk to Schwartz very much.

At the very least, the optics aren’t favorable. One Eagles staffer said the only coach who probably doesn’t think Schwartz is trying to undercut Pederson is Pederson. Three players, who requested anonymity, said that it has become well-known in the locker room that Schwartz is waiting to usurp power.

“He walks around the building like he thinks he’s the head coach,” one player said.

But would Lurie ever consider Schwartz as a long-term replacement? He hasn’t hired a defensive-minded head coach in more than 20 years. And Schwartz has many of the characteristics of Chip Kelly, whom Lurie fired after just three turbulent years.

Schwartz is bright and has one of the better defensive minds in the NFL, but some Eagles coaches and players said that he’s arrogant. A few players said they liked his swagger. He has been known, much like Kelly, to walk past colleagues in the hallways without acknowledgement.

There are still doubts about Pederson, particularly in play-calling and game management. But many players cite his authenticity and his playing experience when asked why they supported their head coach. After Kelly, Lurie wanted someone with the “emotional intelligence” to handle the locker room.

But Lombardi, who worked for the Eagles in 1998, said that knowledge was paramount.

Lurie would dub his ex-employee’s original comments as “click bait” or “hot takes.” But the Eagles owner didn’t refute Lombardi’s statement about Pederson’s qualifications, and he didn’t give a rousing endorsement of his first season.

“There’s going to be growing pains with any first-year head coach,” Lurie said. “We had that with Andy [Reid]. We had it with Chip. We’ve had it no matter who it is.”

Lurie has yet to have a coach lose more games in Year 2. Pederson’s second season officially starts Sunday in Washington.

oaklandhater · 09-10-2017, 01:10 AM

Keep sucking eagles

Wonder What you think their record will be this year DANE

OldSchool · 09-10-2017, 01:20 AM

Dirty birds.

Miles · 09-10-2017, 01:52 AM

Lombardi is such a worthless ****ing clown but amusing if he has managed to cause real questions in Philly when his takes should be completely ignored.

kcchiefsus · 09-10-2017, 04:21 AM

Schwartz is a mongoloid looking ****

chiefzilla1501 · 09-10-2017, 06:18 AM

Coming from a guy who hired Chudzinski, abruptly fired him, and then got fired because he was angling for Josh McDaniels?

That being said, he's probably right about Pederson. Was a weird head coaching hire.

**wazu** · 09-10-2017, 06:26 AM

"Which NFL team does he work for?" Pretty solid burn from ole Doug.

Chiefs=Champions · 09-10-2017, 06:36 AM

Lombardi is a ****. But pretty bizarre that eagles fire Andy, then a few years later hire is right hand man..

KChiefs1 · 09-10-2017, 06:53 AM

I was listening to Lombardi on a podcast & he didn't even know who Dave Toub was...turned it off.

**Buehler445** · 09-10-2017, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by kcchiefsus

Schwartz is a mongoloid looking ****

Right. After that ****ing meltdown in Detroit I'd take my chances with a Pederson type before I signed on for that noise.

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Coming from a guy who hired Chudzinski, abruptly fired him, and then got fired because he was angling for Josh McDaniels?

That being said, he's probably right about Pederson. Was a weird head coaching hire.

Meh. I don't know. I don't follow the Eagles religiously but they looked OK the few times I saw them. The big thing is they had a rookie Div 1AA QB who took second string snaps all through TC then got stuffed in the starting role and he looked comfortable and confident. To me that is a reflection of scheme and coaching, which Lombardi is blasting him for.

7-9 is frustrating but given where they started I'd take it if I were a fan

**Buehler445** · 09-10-2017, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1

I was listening to Lombardi on a podcast & he didn't even know who Dave Toub was...turned it off.

Even if nobody gives a shit about the Chiefs you'd think everyone would remember Chicagos Super Bowl run.

RippedmyFlesh · 09-10-2017, 08:35 AM

Lombardi is a clown everywhere he worked losing ensued.

chiefzilla1501 · 09-10-2017, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

Right. After that ****ing meltdown in Detroit I'd take my chances with a Pederson type before I signed on for that noise.

Meh. I don't know. I don't follow the Eagles religiously but they looked OK the few times I saw them. The big thing is they had a rookie Div 1AA QB who took second string snaps all through TC then got stuffed in the starting role and he looked comfortable and confident. To me that is a reflection of scheme and coaching, which Lombardi is blasting him for.

7-9 is frustrating but given where they started I'd take it if I were a fan

We'll see. He comes across to me as a bit of a doofus. His press conferences are quotable for the wrong reasons and he is an even worse game manager than Reid. I mean, really, really bizarrely dumb in-game mistakes constantly. He was basically invisible most of this offseason, from what I understand.

That being said, it doesn't surprise me that Schwartz is arrogantly trying to snake his way into the job. And that Lurie and company look to be having control issues... again. It's a perfect storm. The Eagles finished the season losing 7 of their last 9 (1 win against a Cowboy team sitting their starters). He seems to me like a coach in over his head, on a dysfunctional team, inheriting a pretty talented team, following Andy Reid's script page by page. But the players seem to play hard for him and he seems to have done a good job with Wentz, and developing some of his players. Maybe that's enough to overcome his shortcomings.

**Easy 6** · 09-10-2017, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

Right. After that ****ing meltdown in Detroit I'd take my chances with a Pederson type before I signed on for that noise.

Ditto, Schwartz was a complete joke in Detroit

But I'm glad to hear about this tension in their building, that dysfunction can only help us next week

**notorious** · 09-10-2017, 10:48 AM

After seeing this around the NFL, we need to be thankful that the Chiefs are very well organized and are all going in the same direction.

09-10-2017, 01:09 AM
oaklandhater future chiefs fans Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: oakland california Casino cash: $7548993	schwartz aiming for Pederson job ? http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/...html?mobi=true Lombardi's criticism of Pederson raises the question: Is Schwartz angling for a promotion? by Jeff McLane, Doug Pederson said he had never heard of Mike Lombardi after the former NFL executive questioned his qualifications, coaching acumen, and future with the Eagles. Pederson had just walked off the podium following a Monday news conference in which he defended himself against Lombardi’s criticism. But before parting the Eagles head coach asked a reporter, “Which NFL team does he work for?” The answer was no team, which seemed to be Pederson’s point. But if he wanted more detail about Lombardi, who worked for six teams over 30 years, all he had to do was walk down to Jim Schwartz’s office to find out. The Eagles defensive coordinator got his NFL start when Lombardi, then the Browns personnel director, hired him nearly 25 years ago. They’ve remained friends ever since. “Don’t link the two of us together in this because we’re friends because that’s not the case,” Lombardi said when asked Tuesday on Comcast’s Philly Sports Talk if the source of his blistering assessment was Schwartz. “One thing people know about me … I say what I think. I don’t have to wait for somebody else to tell me.” And yet, Eagles coaches and players have made the link. Lombardi’s initial comments, which appeared on the web site The Ringer, have only fueled the belief from some in the NovaCare Complex that Schwartz has designs on Pederson’s job. “Everybody knows Pederson isn’t a head coach. He might be less qualified to coach a team than anyone I’ve ever seen,” Lombardi said during the Ringer video segment. “When will the Eagles admit their mistake? Will they throw away 2017 by stubbornly sticking to the Pederson Principle?” It isn’t unusual in today’s NFL climate for a coach to be on the hot seat after just one season. The 2016 Eagles finished with the same 7-9 record as they did the year before, and as Eagles owner Jeffery Lurie noted Thursday, Pederson inherited a locker room with leftover problems and a rookie quarterback named the starter just eight days before his first season. But here we are, and not just because of Lombardi’s hit piece. Lurie said he was giving his coach a full endorsement during his “impromptu” news conference, but it was lukewarm compared with his appraisal of Eagles general manager Howie Roseman, who “has done a tremendous job” and in whom he “has total confidence.” “I see him as someone who can keep improving,” Lurie said of Pederson. “He’s a listener. He’s a collaborator. I think he has terrific relationships with the players. The future is in front of him, and it’s there for the taking.” Nowhere in Lurie’s comments did he mention Pederson’s coaching expertise – his ability to scheme, game-plan, and manage. He highlighted his “quarterback analysis” in the evaluation of Carson Wentz, his handling of “locker room chemistry,” and his putting “together a top-notch coaching staff.” Roseman, though, led the way on hiring many of the coaches – in particular, Schwartz. To this day, Schwartz’s presence and media availability at Pederson’s introductory news conference in January 2016 defy logic. The Eagles were likely attempting to assuage fans who weren’t enthused by Pederson, who had gone from entry-level assistant to head coach in seven years. Having Schwartz, a former head coach with a large personality, in the building always threatened to overshadow Pederson. Lombardi doubled down on his remarks during interviews with the Inquirer and PST. He said that Pederson wasn’t detail-oriented enough. He pointed out that Wentz and the Eagles offense had regressed last season. And he questioned the second-year coach’s ability to stand in front of his team and inspire confidence – a bold presumption unless he gathered it from someone in the room. The only Eagles entity who escaped Lombardi’s wrath was Schwartz. “When I was in Cleveland, I hired Jim Schwartz … He’s an outstanding football coach,” Lombardi said to the Inquirer. “I have nothing but great respect for him, and I think the Eagles’ success last year was their defense.” On Tuesday, when a reporter asked Schwartz to comment on Lombardi in part because of their history, the coordinator said that he worked with many people around the NFL over the last quarter-century. He downplayed their relationship and said that he hadn’t seen Lombardi’s remarks on Pederson, that he only knew the general premise. Lombardi said that he doesn’t talk to Schwartz very much. At the very least, the optics aren’t favorable. One Eagles staffer said the only coach who probably doesn’t think Schwartz is trying to undercut Pederson is Pederson. Three players, who requested anonymity, said that it has become well-known in the locker room that Schwartz is waiting to usurp power. “He walks around the building like he thinks he’s the head coach,” one player said. But would Lurie ever consider Schwartz as a long-term replacement? He hasn’t hired a defensive-minded head coach in more than 20 years. And Schwartz has many of the characteristics of Chip Kelly, whom Lurie fired after just three turbulent years. Schwartz is bright and has one of the better defensive minds in the NFL, but some Eagles coaches and players said that he’s arrogant. A few players said they liked his swagger. He has been known, much like Kelly, to walk past colleagues in the hallways without acknowledgement. There are still doubts about Pederson, particularly in play-calling and game management. But many players cite his authenticity and his playing experience when asked why they supported their head coach. After Kelly, Lurie wanted someone with the “emotional intelligence” to handle the locker room. But Lombardi, who worked for the Eagles in 1998, said that knowledge was paramount. Lurie would dub his ex-employee’s original comments as “click bait” or “hot takes.” But the Eagles owner didn’t refute Lombardi’s statement about Pederson’s qualifications, and he didn’t give a rousing endorsement of his first season. “There’s going to be growing pains with any first-year head coach,” Lurie said. “We had that with Andy [Reid]. We had it with Chip. We’ve had it no matter who it is.” Lurie has yet to have a coach lose more games in Year 2. Pederson’s second season officially starts Sunday in Washington.
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