Restating the obvious, Dorsey learned from Ted Thompson

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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/04/03/packers-prefer-compensatory-picks-over-unrestricted-free-agents/


Packers General Manager Ted Thompson has a formula for building his team, and he’s sticking with it.

Thompson believes in building through the draft, not free agency, and that includes acquiring more draft picks by declining to sign unrestricted free agents. In the NFL, teams that lose more in free agency than they acquire get compensatory picks, and the Packers’ moves in free agency this year indicate that they’re already thinking about acquiring compensatory picks for next year. The NFL doesn’t public the precise formula used to determine compensatory picks, but the simple version is that if the unrestricted free agents you lose are better, higher-paid players than the unrestricted free agents you sign, then the NFL will compensate you the following year with compensatory picks.

As the Green Bay Press-Gazette points out, even the one big name the Packers have signed this offseason, Julius Peppers, was a free agent because he was released by the Bears, not because his previous contract expired. That means he won’t count as an unrestricted free agent addition for the Packers for the purpose of determining their compensatory picks next year.

Last year the Packers lost two key players, receiver Greg Jennings and linebacker Erik Walden, as unrestricted free agents. And the Packers didn’t sign any unrestricted free agents last year. As a result, this year they’re getting an extra third-round pick and an extra fifth-round pick as compensatory selections.

This year the Packers have again not signed away any players whose previous contract expired, but they have lost four players, center Evan Dietrich-Smith, receiver James Jones, defensive lineman C.J. Wilson and offensive lineman Marshall Newhouse. That means the Packers will almost certainly do well when the compensatory picks are passed out a year from now.

Building through the draft and declining to overspend in free agency would be a smart strategy even if the NFL didn’t have a compensatory pick system to reward frugal teams. But when compensatory picks are added to the equation, it’s easy to see why Thompson declines to go after free agents. The Packers have been successful this way. It’s surprising more teams haven’t copied them.


May not be popular here but Dorsey is doing exactly the same thing Thompson and Ozzie Newsome are doing, stockpile draft picks and let UFAs get overpaid elsewhere.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

How many franchise QBs win Super Bowls all by themselves while surrounded by garbage?

Team had like a dozen probowlers. The game is a joke, but they are far from garbage

[KCwolf]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I haven't sent a single neg rep in over 8 years.

Every argument I have is right here, in the open.

Prove me wrong or shut up.

You started this. Now be a man and either finish it or admit that you were wrong.

DUDE REALLY?????? Giving up 2 2nd rd picks for Alex was worth it .. Period

[Coochie liquor]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Both of them have good track records with QBs, though, and that's the most important piece, IMO.

Exactly!! Easy to look at the teams that contend every year and see that they have stability with a good qb under center. That is the key above all in this league. I'm fine with what we gave for a qb who in the second half of the season did everything g he could to help this team. Extend the play with your legs. Let your playmakers get open. They had to had a qb that could do that or we would have had Josh Freeman or worse and woulda been much worse off. Just my opinion!

[WhiteWhale]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

Clausen got 1 ****ing year on a shitty Panthers team before they drafted Newton. Then they ****ing held onto him and did dick with him.

Did it ever occur to you that it played out that way because he sucks?

[WhiteWhale]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

And that's why when people scream about Sanchez, Clausen or Geno....it bugs me. You can't realistically sit here and claim that if we had drafted either one of those guys....that they would have 100% turned out the same way. There are always players that come into the NFL and need a season (or more) of adjustment time....QBs especially. Yet when those QBs get over drafted, and fail, they're labeled as busts and anyone who wanted to draft them is bashed.

Clausen, for example (and this is all JMO), would have succeeded on a team where he was allowed to sit and learn for a year. I even think that he would have succeeded on the Panthers had he been given more than a year. Instead he was drafted, started (on a shitty team) and then replaced my the #1 overall pick after a year. I think he would have succeeded on a team like the Chiefs, where he wouldn't have been expected to start in the 1st year. He would have been able to work with Weis and get acclimated to the NFL.

Brady Quinn is the same way. And no...I'm not going homer just because they're both Irish QBs.

I agree with the premise. Alex Smith was ruined in SF, but somehow has become a decent QB. He's not great, but he's managed to rebuild his career.

Brady Quinn, on the other hand, is not one of those guys. Some guys are willing to put in the work in the film room, and some guys aren't. Quinn is not starting QB material and I don't think it would have mattered where he was drafted. Same with Sanchez.. the guy was more preoccupied with banging underage girls than learning to be an elite QB. He had a TON of talent around him early in his career. It was an ideal situation for a young QB and he blew it. No excuses for Sanchez.

[O.city]

The vast majority of prospects have to match up with philosophy, coach, system etc in order to fully succeed.

Guys like Luck would have probably hit anywhere, he's transcendent, however, even him and Manning have a chance they don't hit.

It's tough to say one way or another that a guy would fail here but succeed here, just to many variables.

[Iconic]

Remember when everyone thought Matt Barkley was our QBOTF. Lol good times...

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by KCwolf

DUDE REALLY?????? Giving up 2 2nd rd picks for Alex was worth it .. Period

only if we followed it up with an aggressive offseason of FA's and drafting to push for a deep playoff run

Otherwise it's just a bandaid and not worth two 2nd rounders

[Messier]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

only if we followed it up with an aggressive offseason of FA's and drafting to push for a deep playoff run

Otherwise it's just a bandaid and not worth two 2nd rounders

Are you using past tense? Like we had last year to prove it was worth it? Because I think Smith will be here for several years. I think there's time yet to tell if it was worth the picks. Though after one year, I'm going with it's looking like it was worth it. We'll see.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by Messier

Are you using past tense? Like we had last year to prove it was worth it? Because I think Smith will be here for several years. I think there's time yet to tell if it was worth the picks. Though after one year, I'm going with it's looking like it was worth it. We'll see.

What about the rest of the team? It's not just Smith, several of our better players only have 2/3 years left.

Also you can't just flip a switch and decide you have a single year to try.

You need to push as hard as you can during a 3/4 year window for the best chance to make a super bowl.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I haven't sent a single neg rep in over 8 years.

Every argument I have is right here, in the open.

Prove me wrong or shut up.

You started this. Now be a man and either finish it or admit that you were wrong.

You sound like me. If I have ever given any negative rep (anything is possible...) I don't remember doing it. 'course I rarely give out positive rep either. But I do sometimes.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

I think it might be difficult to ascertain exactly what Thompson would do in a situation similar to what Dorsey faced here last year, since Brett Favre was still behind center when Thompson took over.

Ride ol' Dandy Don Majkowski for all he was worth

[BossChief]

A big reason a lot of CPers (including myself) wanted us to draft Claussen was because of the Charlie Weis connection.

[penchief]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

How many times do I have to type the obvious before I give up?

Some of you are too stubborn and/or stupid to acknowledge reality, so why would I continue to waste my time?

You're giving me a headache, man. IMO, nobody is trying to have it both ways. It's perfectly reasonable to assume that they want to build through the draft but also realized that they needed a competent NFL quarterback to build around. Nobody liked the idea of giving up two second round picks for another quarterback after the Cassel era but the fact is that they paid the price they had to pay in order to get the ball rolling in the right direction.

A team full of second round picks isn't going to reach it's potential without a competent quarterback and leader. So I have no problem accepting the premise that their intention was always to build through the draft but they were also willing to pay the price to change the culture of the team. Smith appears to be a guy who can get the job done on the field but also be a mentor and leader for all our future second round picks.

I think you're overthinking the whole thing...

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by Rausch

Looking back I don't think any rookie would have done well with the offensive mess that was the Pioli Chiefs.

Between T0dd and our $3it-tastic OC's anyone would have flopped...

Yep.

It's ugly to say it, but I don't think it would've mattered who we drafted, unless they were so amazingly good that they could overcome the staff and the rest of the roster. Although frankly I think that comment is probably true all the way back to about 1999 (even the Vermeil years, at least on the d side of the ball, although they didn't play many rookies on offense and those they did generally bombed).

This place has been a sinkhole for a long time, and only the real star calibre players hear can overcome it. I don't know if people realize just how special players like Charles and Bowe really are (particularly Bowe, who's been what seems like half the fanbase's whippin' boy his whole tenure here).