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Old 11-10-2014, 02:41 PM   #1
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I have a kid in college, I think the 20D will suffer 20K-30K more cycles before it gets sent for scrap...
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Old 11-13-2014, 10:30 AM   #2
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My 50D arrived yesterday and I tried it out for a short time last night. My first question: why is live view only available in the "creative zone" modes and not in the basic modes? Its not a big deal...just seems odd to me.

Also, I've been reading in the manual about selecting the metering mode. I use the aperture priority mode for fast action shots...what metering mode should I use? It would seem to me that, when shooting action at F2.8, spot metering or center-weighted average metering would be better than the default evaluative metering. I'm thinking this because, at F2.8, the subject is pretty much the only thing that's going to be in full focus, so the metering of the background isn't as important. Is this true?
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Old 11-13-2014, 10:36 AM   #3
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My 50D arrived yesterday and I tried it out for a short time last night. My first question: why is live view only available in the "creative zone" modes and not in the basic modes? Its not a big deal...just seems odd to me.

Also, I've been reading in the manual about selecting the metering mode. I use the aperture priority mode for fast action shots...what metering mode should I use? It would seem to me that, when shooting action at F2.8, spot metering or center-weighted average metering would be better than the default evaluative metering. I'm thinking this because, at F2.8, the subject is pretty much the only thing that's going to be in full focus, so the metering of the background isn't as important. Is this true?
Why are you shooting aperture priority for fast action? You should shoot shutter priority so you can stop the action sufficiently and let the camera adjust the aperture. At f/2.8, you've got a pretty narrow focus plane, so if you can get by at 1/1000 while still at f/4 or something, you'll be better off. JMO.

And I believe on my 6D live view is only available in creative modes. Also JMO, but if you've got the money to spend on a 50D, you should know enough about your camera to never use the basic modes. Get comfortable in aperture and shutter priority modes, then move the M. Your camera should never be on that green square. *plink* *plink*
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Old 11-13-2014, 11:05 AM   #4
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Why are you shooting aperture priority for fast action? You should shoot shutter priority so you can stop the action sufficiently and let the camera adjust the aperture. At f/2.8, you've got a pretty narrow focus plane, so if you can get by at 1/1000 while still at f/4 or something, you'll be better off. JMO.

And I believe on my 6D live view is only available in creative modes. Also JMO, but if you've got the money to spend on a 50D, you should know enough about your camera to never use the basic modes. Get comfortable in aperture and shutter priority modes, then move the M. Your camera should never be on that green square. *plink* *plink*
I was told earlier in the thread that Av mode was the way to go for action because of the lens I bought. By locking in at 2.8 and raising the ISO, the camera chooses the fastest shutter speed. But I guess what you're saying is attempting to achieve the same ends...lock in a fast shutter speed and raise the ISO, and the camera will choose the best aperture width. And, depending in the f value that is chosen, more of the shot could be in focus rather than just narrowly focusing on the subject?
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Old 11-13-2014, 11:10 AM   #5
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I was told earlier in the thread that Av mode was the way to go for action because of the lens I bought. By locking in at 2.8 and raising the ISO, the camera chooses the fastest shutter speed. But I guess what you're saying is attempting to achieve the same ends...lock in a fast shutter speed and raise the ISO, and the camera will choose the best aperture width. And, depending in the f value that is chosen, more of the shot could be in focus rather than just narrowly focusing on the subject?
Yes. I'm not familiar with the 50D, do you have the ability to automatically adjust ISO?

I think I missed the earlier conversation, but I've personally never heard of shooting action in Av mode. All the sports photogs I know either go full manual or shoot Tv, as did I when I was shooting sports.
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Old 11-13-2014, 04:02 PM   #6
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Why are you shooting aperture priority for fast action? You should shoot shutter priority so you can stop the action sufficiently and let the camera adjust the aperture. At f/2.8, you've got a pretty narrow focus plane, so if you can get by at 1/1000 while still at f/4 or something, you'll be better off. JMO.

And I believe on my 6D live view is only available in creative modes. Also JMO, but if you've got the money to spend on a 50D, you should know enough about your camera to never use the basic modes. Get comfortable in aperture and shutter priority modes, then move the M. Your camera should never be on that green square. *plink* *plink*
I might argue with you about that.... Years of doing this has taught me that aperture drive shutter speed, and aperture make the picture...

So, for sport where most folks want a small DoF, open-up that puppy, get the DoF you want, and the camera will go as fast as it can to get you that DoF. So I highly recommend it. Yes, you might get a bit of a blurr at time, but the alternative was an underexposed pic.

And last, between ISO and aperture, you can adjust the blur.
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Old 11-13-2014, 04:07 PM   #7
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I might argue with you about that.... Years of doing this has taught me that aperture drive shutter speed, and aperture make the picture...

So, for sport where most folks want a small DoF, open-up that puppy, get the DoF you want, and the camera will go as fast as it can to get you that DoF. So I highly recommend it. Yes, you might get a bit of a blurr at time, but the alternative was an underexposed pic.

And last, between ISO and aperture, you can adjust the blur.

I thought no a beginner will have much more success shooting at a fixed shutter if it allows him a wider focal plane. Telling a newb sports photographer to shoot wide open is trouble. Just my 2 cents. I think he'd have more success locking the shutter to freeze the action and letting the camera close the aperture a bit.
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Old 11-13-2014, 08:34 PM   #8
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Old 11-13-2014, 09:36 PM   #9
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Ditto...
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Old 11-14-2014, 08:33 AM   #10
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Hmmmm.... Funny thing is I don't have any idea what you guys are talking about, well other than general terminology. My shooting is so different it's interesting how little know on daytime photography.
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Old 11-14-2014, 03:28 PM   #11
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Hmmmm.... Funny thing is I don't have any idea what you guys are talking about, well other than general terminology. My shooting is so different it's interesting how little know on daytime photography.
I'm sure there's an Icon on the little twisty knob on the left-hand side for that....

LOL, I actually think you're right. I'm not sure if it was this thread or another, but I really recommend anybody jumping into it and wanting to take more than snapshots checkout a few books on lighting. The subject can range from natural lighting, to flash photography (daytime too!!!), to strobes, to various temperatures of indoor lighting. It's reading that's well worth anybody's time.

It's the next step after understanding DoF and before digging into circles-of-confusion and why/how digital sensors differ from film.

Wait, there's a setting for that....
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I'm sure there's an Icon on the little twisty knob on the left-hand side for that....

LOL, I actually think you're right. I'm not sure if it was this thread or another, but I really recommend anybody jumping into it and wanting to take more than snapshots checkout a few books on lighting. The subject can range from natural lighting, to flash photography (daytime too!!!), to strobes, to various temperatures of indoor lighting. It's reading that's well worth anybody's time.

It's the next step after understanding DoF and before digging into circles-of-confusion and why/how digital sensors differ from film.

Wait, there's a setting for that....
Hey throw me a link if you can to read on said subject. I would like to learn how to do something other than the green A during daytime shots
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Hey! Hey! Put down the lenses and back away. I'm just going to try both methods and see what works best for me. After I do some testing, I'll declare a winner to the argument.
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Hey! Hey! Put down the lenses and back away. I'm just going to try both methods and see what works best for me. After I do some testing, I'll declare a winner to the argument.
I put all of my self-esteem in winning internet arguments, so please keep that in mind.
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Well I cry when I hit bugs on the highway, so I'm obviously a more delicate flower!
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