Premature Day 1 Grading Thread

Spicy McHaggis · 04-29-2006, 08:15 PM

Alright, it's way to early but let's do it. What's your reaction to our first day?

I'm also of the opinion that there seems to be a decent amount of talent left; Nance, Greg Lee among other recievers are there, Zemaitis, Demetrice Webb still on the corner market, Watson, Lewis, Harris, Jolly, Williams Wright all DT's to be had and I know we already got Hali but Adeyanju, Dumervil and Ray Edwards are still on the board too.

Encouraging, and trading up into the fourth has got to be on the minds of those in the FO tonight.

**Bwana** · 04-29-2006, 08:15 PM

BigRock · 04-29-2006, 08:22 PM

I liked day one. I'd give it a B.

A lot of people are saying we could have traded down and still got Hali, but I really don't know. The Giants originally picked at #24, they drafted a DE, and right after Hali was picked both ESPN and the NFL Network mentioned that their GM met with Hali and loved him. And considering the talent that was still on the board, I doubt any of the 3 teams behind us were looking to move up. They all had good players fall in their laps. I'm happy with Hali.

Pollard was a reach. But then again, I'm thrilled we got Brodie, more so than if we'd gotten Youboty or someone in the 2nd. So if they had said "well, we could get Pollard in the 3rd", we wouldn't have Croyle.

It's also kinda interesting that the Steelers passed on some of the "name" players like Bing or Sampson when they drafted a safety. You can't watch these videos of him absolutely laying guys out and not get a little excited. A reach, but I hope he works out.

Croyle I'm thrilled about, as I said. Some random guy here and I might have given us a C for the day, but Brodie makes it a solid B.

Hopefully they follow it up well tomorrow. I tend to doubt we'll trade up, though. Maybe someone will give us some 2nd day picks for Hicks or Woods.

Garcia Bronco · 04-29-2006, 08:22 PM

Chiefs b+
Broncos a-
Raiders b
San Diego C

CHIEF4EVER · 04-29-2006, 08:27 PM

Solid A-. Hali has the one thing you can't teach - desire and effort. He can bulk up a few pounds and be taught better technique. Decent pick. Pollard, hits like a freight train and tackles well. GREAT pick. Croyle, GREAT value in the third round.

**banyon** · 04-29-2006, 08:28 PM

Pick 1 : C

Pick 2 : D

Pick 3: A

Avg: C+

Cormac · 04-29-2006, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by CHIEF4EVER

Solid A-. Hali has the one thing you can't teach - desire and effort. He can bulk up a few pounds and be taught better technique. Decent pick. Pollard, hits like a freight train and tackles well. GREAT pick. Croyle, GREAT value in the third round.

I agree completely. At least we went for the high-motor D-lineman over the size and potential.....ie. Jared Allen vs Sims/Siavii.

In the 2nd round we added a tackler. How many fans have said that no position on our D is beyond replacement? And this was our "questionable" pick.

In the 3rd round we addressed another huge need. Croyle is an exciting prospect. I really see him being in the Trent Green mould....in terms of ability and leadership....in time.

Coach · 04-29-2006, 08:40 PM

Hali - We need someone to supplant Hicks at LE and Carlos Hall can't do that. Based on his 11 sack season in the Big Ten last year and being a 1st team All American at his position in 2005 the ONLY REASON that he wasn't a top ten pick was because of his workouts.

To by quite honest, I don't care if he runs a 10 flat forty if the guy can pull 11 sacks in a 14 game season. The kid can play, so he's okay in my book. Especially with some of the jokers on our defense. And yes, he had 2 sacks last year in his junior year, but I do strongly suggest that you look at his TFL (tackles for losses) and tackles. They have increased from his Jr year to Sr year. Hopefully we'll have some T-shirts of "The Liberian Nightmare" soon.

Pollard - This one is confusing, yet at the same time, intruging. One thing is for certain that most experts agree that he is a solid tackling and weak on the coverage skills. Plus, let's see who's our safties on the roster:

Woods: Yeah, let's not go there.
Bartee: See above.
Wesley: Inconsistent at best, and is scared shitless to hit someone.
Knight: Seems to be the consistent one, but is getting old.

This one is a big ? mark.

Croyle: Good pick. I wasn't confident on Whitehurst, and I would had perferred Croyle instead. Kid's a gamer, and does actually make smart decisions.

B-

Simplex3 · 04-29-2006, 08:46 PM

B-

I like the Hali pick. Was it maybe a couple spots early? You never know. B+

Another f**king saftey. We draft more safties than Detroit drafts f**king receivers. D+

A QB project? We have one, or two, and we seem to ruin them all. I like the look of this kid and I'll give Herm's new staff the benefit of the doubt. A kid like this in the 3rd gets them an A.

So as we can see, it's just like any other Carl Draft Special. A slight reach in the first, a complete WTF in the second, then a nice third pick. One of these days Carl should realize he sucks in the first and second and not make those two picks himself. He'd be the God of the draft if he could just put his pride down for the first two picks.

Coach · 04-29-2006, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Simplex3

B-

I like the Hali pick. Was it maybe a couple spots early? You never know. B+

It may have been a couple spots early, but at the same time, the 49ers were 22nd, and the Giants on the 32 spot, I believe, and they selected a DE. The Giants GM was high on Hali IIRC.

OldTownChief · 04-29-2006, 08:51 PM

Simplex3 · 04-29-2006, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach

It may have been a couple spots early, but at the same time, the 49ers were 22nd, and the Giants on the 32 spot, I believe, and they selected a DE. The Giants GM was high on Hali IIRC.

Yeah, I'm saying I would have taken him there. If you liked the guy at all that was the spot to take him in.

**banyon** · 04-29-2006, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simplex3

So as we can see, it's just like any other Carl Draft Special. A slight reach in the first, a complete WTF in the second, then a nice third pick. One of these days Carl should realize he sucks in the first and second and not make those two picks himself. He'd be the God of the draft if he could just put his pride down for the first two picks.

I've heard Petro say on multiple occasions that the Chiefs turn over their drafts to the scouts on Day 2, which is why we land so many good 4th rounders.

Coach · 04-29-2006, 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simplex3

Yeah, I'm saying I would have taken him there. If you liked the guy at all that was the spot to take him in.

I agree. I would have been a bit upset if the Chiefs did get a WR, considering that our offense have been #1 in the NFL for some time, at the same time, ignoring the immediate needs on defense.

htismaqe · 04-29-2006, 08:55 PM

Personally, I love the draft.

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BigRock Pritay Pritay Pritay Good Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The State of Euphoria Casino cash: $3455412	I liked day one. I'd give it a B. A lot of people are saying we could have traded down and still got Hali, but I really don't know. The Giants originally picked at #24, they drafted a DE, and right after Hali was picked both ESPN and the NFL Network mentioned that their GM met with Hali and loved him. And considering the talent that was still on the board, I doubt any of the 3 teams behind us were looking to move up. They all had good players fall in their laps. I'm happy with Hali. Pollard was a reach. But then again, I'm thrilled we got Brodie, more so than if we'd gotten Youboty or someone in the 2nd. So if they had said "well, we could get Pollard in the 3rd", we wouldn't have Croyle. It's also kinda interesting that the Steelers passed on some of the "name" players like Bing or Sampson when they drafted a safety. You can't watch these videos of him absolutely laying guys out and not get a little excited. A reach, but I hope he works out. Croyle I'm thrilled about, as I said. Some random guy here and I might have given us a C for the day, but Brodie makes it a solid B. Hopefully they follow it up well tomorrow. I tend to doubt we'll trade up, though. Maybe someone will give us some 2nd day picks for Hicks or Woods.
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Coach Champs! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $5978476	Hali - We need someone to supplant Hicks at LE and Carlos Hall can't do that. Based on his 11 sack season in the Big Ten last year and being a 1st team All American at his position in 2005 the ONLY REASON that he wasn't a top ten pick was because of his workouts. To by quite honest, I don't care if he runs a 10 flat forty if the guy can pull 11 sacks in a 14 game season. The kid can play, so he's okay in my book. Especially with some of the jokers on our defense. And yes, he had 2 sacks last year in his junior year, but I do strongly suggest that you look at his TFL (tackles for losses) and tackles. They have increased from his Jr year to Sr year. Hopefully we'll have some T-shirts of "The Liberian Nightmare" soon. Pollard - This one is confusing, yet at the same time, intruging. One thing is for certain that most experts agree that he is a solid tackling and weak on the coverage skills. Plus, let's see who's our safties on the roster: Woods: Yeah, let's not go there. Bartee: See above. Wesley: Inconsistent at best, and is scared shitless to hit someone. Knight: Seems to be the consistent one, but is getting old. This one is a big ? mark. Croyle: Good pick. I wasn't confident on Whitehurst, and I would had perferred Croyle instead. Kid's a gamer, and does actually make smart decisions. B- __________________ Super Bowl IV, LIV, LVII & LVIII Champions 2020, 2021, 2023, & 2024 AFC Champions 1985 & 2015 Major League Baseball World Series Champions 1980, 1985, 2014, & 2015 Major League Baseball American League Champions 2015 American League Central Division Champs
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04-29-2006, 08:46 PM	#9
Simplex3 MVP Join Date: Sep 2003 Casino cash: $10004900	B- I like the Hali pick. Was it maybe a couple spots early? You never know. B+ Another fking saftey. We draft more safties than Detroit drafts fking receivers. D+ A QB project? We have one, or two, and we seem to ruin them all. I like the look of this kid and I'll give Herm's new staff the benefit of the doubt. A kid like this in the 3rd gets them an A. So as we can see, it's just like any other Carl Draft Special. A slight reach in the first, a complete WTF in the second, then a nice third pick. One of these days Carl should realize he sucks in the first and second and not make those two picks himself. He'd be the God of the draft if he could just put his pride down for the first two picks.
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