Peter King is an idiot. - Page 2

joesomebody · 11-07-2005, 11:57 PM

I in no way like Tomlinson or think hes the best player in football, I do kind of like Tiki, but all of this aside, I thought this was one of the stupidest things I've ever read.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...ek9/index.html

STAT OF THE WEEK

It's not meant as a knock on LaDainian Tomlinson, especially in light of his four-touchdown performance at the Meadowlands that allowed the Chargers to stay in the AFC pennant race against the Jets. But I find it funny that Tomlinson, without discussion, is proclaimed the best player in football. I love the guy, and there's a good chance he's the best running back in football. But let's not eliminate the discussion. For instance, why isn't Tiki Barber in the discussion, if Tomlinson is?

Stats of Tomlinson and Barber since the start of 2004:

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Total yards over the past year and a half: Barber 3,008, Tomlinson 2,875.
Again, I'm not saying Barber's better. I'm saying: Why isn't there at least a discussion about it?

Ok... so their yards are similar, Barber even has 135 or so more... but look at the touchdowns... 18 to 30... Yet King completely ignores the number one factor in any sport except golf, points!

So Barber has 135 more yards, say the average touchdown drive is 60 yards, and I'm completely guessing, even the yards Barber has on LT is at most 2 touchdowns for the team.

Tomlinson has damn near twice as many touchdowns, and King wants to say the two are comparable???

Brock · 11-08-2005, 08:17 AM

King has always been gay for Tiki.

jidar · 11-08-2005, 08:18 AM

Damn the stats.
As everyone knows stats can be very misleading in this game. The reason LT gets the nod isn't only because of his TD's, it's because he can do everything and he does all of those things as well as any other back. In fact, because he can do it all is WHY he has more TDs. LT is shifty, runs very low to the ground, has great vision, can cut on a dime, he makes pro-bowl players look like idiots when they try to 1-on-1 tackle him, he can catch out of the backfield, he can power run the ball, and he is at the top of the game in all of those things.
You don't need stats to see that the guy is better than anyone else playing right now, just watch him in a couple of games.

Dr. Johnny Fever · 11-08-2005, 08:37 AM

I think Tomlinson is likely the best player in football.

siberian khatru · 11-08-2005, 08:40 AM

How many TD passes does Tiki have?

kepp · 11-08-2005, 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HolmeZz

If you're judging an RB based on stats, the fact that Barber has 100 more yards on 60 fewer carries than LT is more impressive than a 30 to 18 TD differential. That's just me though.

But Tomlinson's far and away the best back in the league. Barber's not on his level.

It is impressive, but I think I'd rather have the 72 extra points than the 130 extra yards.

jspchief · 11-08-2005, 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kepp

It is impressive, but I think I'd rather have the 72 extra points than the 130 extra yards.

Yea well, if the football field was only 10 yards, you might change your tune.

**Skip Towne** · 11-08-2005, 09:00 AM

LJ has a TD for every 14.8 rushing attempts. Tomlinson has a TD for every 23.2 rushes.

jspchief · 11-08-2005, 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skip Towne

LJ has a TD for every 14.8 rushing attempts. Tomlinson has a TD for every 23.2 rushes.

Larry Johnson is the best Evah!!

RINGLEADER · 11-08-2005, 10:14 AM

Barber is definitely underrated by most in the media, but that doesn't make him better than LT.

jidar · 11-08-2005, 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by siberian khatru

How many TD passes does Tiki have?

oh wait... that kinda hurts..

redfan · 11-08-2005, 10:34 AM

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chagrin · 11-08-2005, 10:39 AM

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nychief · 11-08-2005, 10:52 AM

touchdowns win games, peter.

HolmeZz · 11-08-2005, 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jspchief

Nice cherry-picked stats from Peter King.

Why did he only look at a 24 game sample? Why not go back to the start of LT2's career?

Dunno why he did it, but the stats are from the start of the 2004 season on. It wasn't a random number of games.

broncoholic · 11-08-2005, 11:43 AM

TDs to Rbs are like wins to pitchers...nice but a useless stat. I think YPC is a better judge.
Who'd you rather have on your baseball team Colon with his wins or Santana with his WHIP?
Of course Colon will win the Cy this year, so what do I know.

11-07-2005, 11:57 PM
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11-08-2005, 08:17 AM	#16
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11-08-2005, 08:18 AM	#17
jidar MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: a Casino cash: $10004900	Damn the stats. As everyone knows stats can be very misleading in this game. The reason LT gets the nod isn't only because of his TD's, it's because he can do everything and he does all of those things as well as any other back. In fact, because he can do it all is WHY he has more TDs. LT is shifty, runs very low to the ground, has great vision, can cut on a dime, he makes pro-bowl players look like idiots when they try to 1-on-1 tackle him, he can catch out of the backfield, he can power run the ball, and he is at the top of the game in all of those things. You don't need stats to see that the guy is better than anyone else playing right now, just watch him in a couple of games.
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broncoholic Starter Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Colorado Springs Casino cash: $10004900	TDs to Rbs are like wins to pitchers...nice but a useless stat. I think YPC is a better judge. Who'd you rather have on your baseball team Colon with his wins or Santana with his WHIP? Of course Colon will win the Cy this year, so what do I know.
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