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RunKC · 02-16-2013, 05:29 PM

No clear quarterback choice for Chiefs in the draft
By ADAM TEICHER
Kansas City Star
Published Saturday, Feb. 16, 2013, at 3:36 p.m.
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Pros and cons
Matt Barkley, 6-2, 230, USC: Superb leadership skills, the first one at practice or meetings and the last one to leave. But his arm strength is suspect. May be a system fit.

Mike Glennon, 6-7, 220, North Carolina State: Strong arm. He’s easily able to make all the necessary throws. But a lack of mobility could be a problem against a strong pass rush.

Ryan Nassib, 6-2, 225, Syracuse: Good mobility and throws well on the run. But he’s a late-bloomer who might need more seasoning before he’s ready for the NFL.

Geno Smith, 6-3, 210, West Virginia: Has best ability of all the top prospects. Was durable in college, but he’s not an imposing specimen. So how will he hold up in the NFL?

Tyler Wilson, 6-2, 220, Arkansas: Will stand in and take a hit but still make an accurate throw. But he’s short for an ideal NFL quarterback and has small hands, which could lead to fumbling problems.

KANSAS CITY, Mo. — The Chiefs spent the last several days setting their draft board in preparation for this week’s NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. The process merely confirmed for new general manager John Dorsey that when it comes to quarterbacks, their homework is only starting.

Opinions on the top available quarterbacks in this year’s draft are that varied.

“There is no quarterback where personnel guys can definitely say, ‘He’s a first-round pick,’ ” Dorsey said. “There were so many inconsistencies in the collective group. There was not one guy that stood up and said, ‘I’m the guy in the position this year.’ There really wasn’t one clear-cut guy.

“There are too many technical flaws, scheme flaws. There are so many different variables that there are a lot of people all over the place on naming the top four or five guys and who those guys would be.”

The Chiefs aren’t the only team having trouble sorting through the top quarterback prospects. From the natural ability of West Virginia’s Geno Smith to the smooth leadership skills of USC’s Matt Barkley to the willingness to take a hit in the face of a strong pass rush of Arkansas’ Tyler Wilson, there are plenty of things to like.

There are reasons to pause just the same. Smith faltered late last fall against better competition. Barkley and Wilson had disappointing, injury-marred senior seasons.

This is a particular problem for teams like the Chiefs, who have a gaping need at quarterback. Dorsey didn’t say so specifically, but he didn’t sound like the Chiefs were planning to take a quarterback with the first pick in this year’s draft.

More likely, the Chiefs will select a quarterback later in the draft — if they take one at all.

Dorsey said both he and coach Andy Reid would be in attendance at the workouts of most, if not all, of the top available quarterbacks.

“I think Andy is a really good evaluator of quarterbacks,” Dorsey said. “I want him and I to go to as many quarterback workouts as possible and actually set our own up.”

The quarterback rankings for last year’s draft were determined almost a year in advance. Stanford’s Andrew Luck was a consensus choice to be the top player selected as soon as the 2011 draft was finished. Baylor’s Robert Griffin III came on as a senior to win the Heisman Trophy and make the race interesting, but in the end, Luck was selected first by Indianapolis. Griffin was taken with the next pick by Washington.

“Last year was an easy evaluation,” draft analyst Mel Kiper said. “Automatically, you put Andrew Luck and RG III up there.”

This year, quarterback ratings are scattered. Some teams like Smith, but others have different favorites, like Barkley, Wilson, North Carolina State’s Mike Glennon or Syracuse’s Ryan Nassib.

“The year didn’t go the way Barkley and the USC Trojans hoped,” Kiper said. “He began the year number one on my big board. You saw what happened with USC. They lost four games with Barkley at quarterback and lost a couple more when he was hurt. They didn’t have a signature win all year. They dropped down the rankings from number one and he dropped down the rankings from number one.

“Geno Smith started out great. It looked like after Barkley struggled you could lock Geno Smith in. Then he has a disappointing second half of the season, so there are issues in terms of what type of starting quarterback he can be. Glennon was hot for a while even though he had a subpar supporting cast, and he didn’t play great (in the bowl game) against Vanderbilt and didn’t have a wow-you-over Senior Bowl week.

“Things didn’t fall into place at Arkansas, and that affected Tyler Wilson. The wheels came off for all the quarterbacks at some point (last) year. Things just didn’t fall right to allow them to maximize their ability. That’s why the teams are right now in the predicament they are, trying to figure this whole quarterback thing out and not overdraft or push a guy up when he’s not deserving.”

Kiper doesn’t have a quarterback rated among his top 25 players. In fact, in his latest mock draft, Kiper doesn’t have a single quarterback being selected in the first round.

“It’s just a tough evaluation, trying to figure out which quarterbacks in this draft, if any, will be great starting quarterbacks,” he said.

Dorsey said he expects at least two quarterbacks to be drafted in the first round because so many teams have a need. It’s a matter, though, of which ones.

Things could solidify in the next couple of months. The draft doesn’t begin until April 25. Meanwhile, the combine begins this week, followed by pro days on college campuses and then individual workouts.

To Dorsey, at least, personal interviews might be the most important part of the postseason draft process. He said a quarterback can improve his draft standing with a series of strong interviews.

“The most impressive interview I’ve ever had in the last 25 years of doing this? Russell Wilson,” said Dorsey, referring to the quarterback drafted by Seattle last year in the third round. “Wasn’t even close. You could feel that guy as a person, how strong he was, how intellectually deep he was, how mentally tough he was, that he had the charisma to lead other players. I always try to look at kids like I’m in the locker room and I’m a teammate. It was easy to see this guy leading a team.

“A quarterback wants to come across in the interview process as confident, as having a vast understanding and knowledge of defenses, as being capable of leading a group of men. That’s what you’ve got to convey to the teams. On film, his physical traits and skills will come out. But you have to over the next few weeks impress on teams the character of his soul, his ability to lead a franchise.”

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**RealSNR** · 02-16-2013, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach|

It was mostly a comment about the hard headed nature that people entrench themselves in with sports and decisions around sports are so dynamic. Often with variables involved that we are not in a place to understand.

I did not intend to characterize pro Geno folks in the way you described with my post.

Fair enough. My bad.

|Zach| · 02-16-2013, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 58-4ever

Ummmm, not sure where I was wrong. You are a loser. You disappear when you get called out for being wrong. Both are facts.

Hey wait. This is fun. It is you.

You are the guy that said Facebook was dying in 6 months and that was over a year ago.

I disagreed and kept posting on that thread and you never came back.

RunKC · 02-16-2013, 06:39 PM

If we do trade for Foles, this place is going to go into the most sulky mood ever. It would literally become "Eeyore Planet".

|Zach| · 02-16-2013, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Fair enough. My bad.

Understandable response

58-4ever · 02-16-2013, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach|

Hey wait. This is fun. It is you.

You are the guy that said Facebook was dying in 6 months and that was over a year ago.

I disagreed and kept posting on that thread and you never came back.

Didn't say it was dying, said that it was declining. Which it is by a lot of accounts.

-King- · 02-16-2013, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

If we aren't taking a Qb at 1, I would think about not signing Albert and just taking Joeckel.

Dude, you tend to overreact to these things. This post didn't even make any sense.

O.city · 02-16-2013, 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC

If we do trade for Foles, this place is going to go into the most sulky mood ever. It would literally become "Eeyore Planet".

And if we take Geno, you'll start cutting yourself. For your sake, I hope we dont'.

O.city · 02-16-2013, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

Dude, you tend to overreact to these things. This post didn't even make any sense.

We were basically jsut told we aren't taking a QB at 1, were we not?

If you can get an equal or better player at a lesser cost, it makes sense.

RunKC · 02-16-2013, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

And if we take Geno, you'll start cutting yourself. For your sake, I hope we dont'.

I'll hope for the best and trust our braintrust, something that almost everybody here doesn't want to do.

Hammock Parties · 02-16-2013, 06:43 PM

Zach, you got any more bullshit like this exchange for us?

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoWalrus

The legend of Scott ***** far outweighs the reality.

Quote:

Originally Posted by |Zach|

It is a fun world you have created for yourself.

And I am glad you enjoy it.

ZACH LOVES HIM SOME PIOLI!

Quote:

Originally Posted by |Zach|

I trust Haley and ***** to do what will be most likely for the Chiefs to win on Sundays people.

O.city · 02-16-2013, 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC

I'll hope for the best and trust our braintrust, something that almost everybody here doesn't want to do.

How long have you been a Chiefs fan?

When the new brain trust wants to do the same thing previous ones have done and experienced epic fail with, sorry, but what did/do you expect to happen?

-King- · 02-16-2013, 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city

We were basically jsut told we aren't taking a QB at 1, were we not?

No we weren't.

|Zach| · 02-16-2013, 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 58-4ever

Didn't say it was dying, said that it was declining. Which it is by a lot of accounts.

$1.58 billion in revenue for the last quarter.

800 million — September 2011.
845 million — End of 2011.
901 million — March 2012.
955 million — June 2012.
1.01 billion — September 2012.
1.06 billion monthly active users as of December 31, 2012

You see. This is how you prove someone is wrong. Just like that. There are some things you can learn from me sir. But you had to go and run & hide from that social media thread.

|Zach| · 02-16-2013, 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoWalrus

Zach, you got any more bullshit like this exchange for us?

ZACH LOVES HIM SOME *****!

Wait, just so we all know what is going on here. Are you Clay... criticizing me...for flip flopping?

Hammock Parties · 02-16-2013, 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by |Zach|

Wait, just so we all know what is going on here. Are you Clay... criticizing me...for flip flopping?

No, you don't flip flop.

You just constantly appeal to football authorities in these discussions, while mocking us for having actual opinions.

It's bullshit. Just butt out.

02-16-2013, 05:29 PM
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $2119611	Dorsey: There is no definite first round QB No clear quarterback choice for Chiefs in the draft By ADAM TEICHER Kansas City Star Published Saturday, Feb. 16, 2013, at 3:36 p.m. 0 CommentsEmailPrintReprints Pros and cons Matt Barkley, 6-2, 230, USC: Superb leadership skills, the first one at practice or meetings and the last one to leave. But his arm strength is suspect. May be a system fit. Mike Glennon, 6-7, 220, North Carolina State: Strong arm. He’s easily able to make all the necessary throws. But a lack of mobility could be a problem against a strong pass rush. Ryan Nassib, 6-2, 225, Syracuse: Good mobility and throws well on the run. But he’s a late-bloomer who might need more seasoning before he’s ready for the NFL. Geno Smith, 6-3, 210, West Virginia: Has best ability of all the top prospects. Was durable in college, but he’s not an imposing specimen. So how will he hold up in the NFL? Tyler Wilson, 6-2, 220, Arkansas: Will stand in and take a hit but still make an accurate throw. But he’s short for an ideal NFL quarterback and has small hands, which could lead to fumbling problems. KANSAS CITY, Mo. — The Chiefs spent the last several days setting their draft board in preparation for this week’s NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. The process merely confirmed for new general manager John Dorsey that when it comes to quarterbacks, their homework is only starting. Opinions on the top available quarterbacks in this year’s draft are that varied. “There is no quarterback where personnel guys can definitely say, ‘He’s a first-round pick,’ ” Dorsey said. “There were so many inconsistencies in the collective group. There was not one guy that stood up and said, ‘I’m the guy in the position this year.’ There really wasn’t one clear-cut guy. “There are too many technical flaws, scheme flaws. There are so many different variables that there are a lot of people all over the place on naming the top four or five guys and who those guys would be.” The Chiefs aren’t the only team having trouble sorting through the top quarterback prospects. From the natural ability of West Virginia’s Geno Smith to the smooth leadership skills of USC’s Matt Barkley to the willingness to take a hit in the face of a strong pass rush of Arkansas’ Tyler Wilson, there are plenty of things to like. There are reasons to pause just the same. Smith faltered late last fall against better competition. Barkley and Wilson had disappointing, injury-marred senior seasons. This is a particular problem for teams like the Chiefs, who have a gaping need at quarterback. Dorsey didn’t say so specifically, but he didn’t sound like the Chiefs were planning to take a quarterback with the first pick in this year’s draft. More likely, the Chiefs will select a quarterback later in the draft — if they take one at all. Dorsey said both he and coach Andy Reid would be in attendance at the workouts of most, if not all, of the top available quarterbacks. “I think Andy is a really good evaluator of quarterbacks,” Dorsey said. “I want him and I to go to as many quarterback workouts as possible and actually set our own up.” The quarterback rankings for last year’s draft were determined almost a year in advance. Stanford’s Andrew Luck was a consensus choice to be the top player selected as soon as the 2011 draft was finished. Baylor’s Robert Griffin III came on as a senior to win the Heisman Trophy and make the race interesting, but in the end, Luck was selected first by Indianapolis. Griffin was taken with the next pick by Washington. “Last year was an easy evaluation,” draft analyst Mel Kiper said. “Automatically, you put Andrew Luck and RG III up there.” This year, quarterback ratings are scattered. Some teams like Smith, but others have different favorites, like Barkley, Wilson, North Carolina State’s Mike Glennon or Syracuse’s Ryan Nassib. “The year didn’t go the way Barkley and the USC Trojans hoped,” Kiper said. “He began the year number one on my big board. You saw what happened with USC. They lost four games with Barkley at quarterback and lost a couple more when he was hurt. They didn’t have a signature win all year. They dropped down the rankings from number one and he dropped down the rankings from number one. “Geno Smith started out great. It looked like after Barkley struggled you could lock Geno Smith in. Then he has a disappointing second half of the season, so there are issues in terms of what type of starting quarterback he can be. Glennon was hot for a while even though he had a subpar supporting cast, and he didn’t play great (in the bowl game) against Vanderbilt and didn’t have a wow-you-over Senior Bowl week. “Things didn’t fall into place at Arkansas, and that affected Tyler Wilson. The wheels came off for all the quarterbacks at some point (last) year. Things just didn’t fall right to allow them to maximize their ability. That’s why the teams are right now in the predicament they are, trying to figure this whole quarterback thing out and not overdraft or push a guy up when he’s not deserving.” Kiper doesn’t have a quarterback rated among his top 25 players. In fact, in his latest mock draft, Kiper doesn’t have a single quarterback being selected in the first round. “It’s just a tough evaluation, trying to figure out which quarterbacks in this draft, if any, will be great starting quarterbacks,” he said. Dorsey said he expects at least two quarterbacks to be drafted in the first round because so many teams have a need. It’s a matter, though, of which ones. Things could solidify in the next couple of months. The draft doesn’t begin until April 25. Meanwhile, the combine begins this week, followed by pro days on college campuses and then individual workouts. To Dorsey, at least, personal interviews might be the most important part of the postseason draft process. He said a quarterback can improve his draft standing with a series of strong interviews. “The most impressive interview I’ve ever had in the last 25 years of doing this? Russell Wilson,” said Dorsey, referring to the quarterback drafted by Seattle last year in the third round. “Wasn’t even close. You could feel that guy as a person, how strong he was, how intellectually deep he was, how mentally tough he was, that he had the charisma to lead other players. I always try to look at kids like I’m in the locker room and I’m a teammate. It was easy to see this guy leading a team. “A quarterback wants to come across in the interview process as confident, as having a vast understanding and knowledge of defenses, as being capable of leading a group of men. That’s what you’ve got to convey to the teams. On film, his physical traits and skills will come out. But you have to over the next few weeks impress on teams the character of his soul, his ability to lead a franchise.” Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/2013/02/16/267...#storylink=cpy
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