The Dark Knight Rises *Spoilers* Thread

[mdchiefsfan]

For anyone who has seen the movie and wants to discuss it.

[Sure-Oz]

Originally Posted by Guru

So where does he get his Robin suit from then? With what money? The only thing available to him is a Batman suit and whatever else is in that cave. I guess if he really wants to stand behind his "no mask" stand even after Batman explained the purpose of the mask he could go without it but I don't see that.

Exactly...

Everything 'BAT' wise is available to him...this is Nolans batman, not the comics.

Either way cool.

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

Exactly...

Everything 'BAT' wise is available to him...this is Nolans batman, not the comics.

Either way cool.

the thing that bugged me about that is where the **** will he get training equal to Bruce had with The League of Shadows. The Gotham YMCA doesn't teach Ninja skills.

[Sure-Oz]

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

the thing that bugged me about that is where the **** will he get training equal to Bruce had with The League of Shadows. The Gotham YMCA doesn't teach Ninja skills.

Bruce likely left a 'Tom Emanski' type video for him to teach him the skills. Obviously.

That said, still a cool ending, I assume this won't continue. I always wondered what JGL role would be in the end.

[Silock]

Originally Posted by Guru

So where does he get his Robin suit from then? With what money? The only thing available to him is a Batman suit and whatever else is in that cave. I guess if he really wants to stand behind his "no mask" stand even after Batman explained the purpose of the mask he could go without it but I don't see that.

Well, he wouldn't really need much to modify the Bat suit to be a Robin suit, would he? Paint it a different color and don't wear the helmet. Done.

Also, we don't know that John Blake is poor, nor do we know that there wasn't contingency money left by Wayne for Blake in the Batcave or via some other means, like Alfred or Fox.

I mean, all of this is totally out of the scope of the movie, but it doesn't take huge leaps of logic to see why he wouldn't be Batman.

[Silock]

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

Exactly...

Everything 'BAT' wise is available to him...this is Nolans batman, not the comics.

Either way cool.

Yes, it's Nolan's Batman. Where the guy, who isn't Batman, but is named Robin, is going to be Batman . . . because Bruce Wayne left him some toys? I don't think so.

[007]

Originally Posted by Silock

Well, he wouldn't really need much to modify the Bat suit to be a Robin suit, would he? Paint it a different color and don't wear the helmet. Done.

Also, we don't know that John Blake is poor, nor do we know that there wasn't contingency money left by Wayne for Blake in the Batcave or via some other means, like Alfred or Fox.

I mean, all of this is totally out of the scope of the movie, but it doesn't take huge leaps of logic to see why he wouldn't be Batman.

That is more or less what I said.

Look, I am not saying he isn't going to be Robin. Just that the movie leaves us with him being completely on his own with only what is available in the cave.

None of it really matters though. Nolan is done with the franchise.

[Anyong Bluth]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but what real scenes does Alfred share with Selina & Bruce? Maybe I'm blanking on an obvious but I don't recall him seeing the two together to pick up on the attraction vibe except they discuss her a bit after she boosted the pearls?


Makes me believe he's actually alive when coupled with Fox finding out autopilot was fixed - even though he's in the plane right as it explodes. Are we to assume that he released the bomb & then flew far enough to get out of the blast radius that should gave been fairly large.

I think I prefer if it was just Alfred's imagination, but unlikely. Ya, there are plenty of weak plot points, The one that I literally blurted out bullshit was after the truck drops to the sublevel / lower street and Gordon just pops out totally fine like a human wouldn't get seriously injured free falling in a giant metal box with other giant metal objects rattling around.

I can live with it and enjoyed it still. AH did an amazing job in her role, I was pleasantly surprised with JGL performance - I think he's a great actor but didn't know if his acting chops could play it the way he did & it actually come off as believable as opposed to simply getting the role by de facto as 1 of Nolan's anointed group of preferred actors.

Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

This whole movie left a bad taste in my mouth. Its clearly not aimed toward people who know the characters very well unless we're addressing the stupid twist that exploited people's knowledge of the books in order to get the twist over. Nice douche....nice.

To trash the origin of Bane so thoroughly, and for the sake of a ridiculous twist to reveal Talia Al Ghul in an equally horrific trashing of book version is just ridiculous to me. You take Bane, arguably the most vicious and cerebral enemy Batman has ever known and try to turn him into a sympathetic character at the end? Just your regular run of the mill pit prisoner who got a frosty smooth beatdown for protecting a child? Lame.

Why the hell does hothead cop know who Batman is? Its never explained, its just dropped in our lap. You. Youre Batman. Why did you wear the mask? So dumb. Then later to actually make his birth name "Robin" was just too much.

Talia's turn and entire role in the plot was asinine. She's in love with Bruce in the books, saved his life on more than one occaision and even had his kid. So why she was chosen to lead the "Nuke Gotham City" plan, I have no idea. Her character being in this film made about as much as Gwen Stacy in Spider-Man 3. Something about the third movie in a trilogy that brings out the WTF moments I guess.

The Bane fights were way too Rocky 3 for me. First fight is a no contest beatdown, we get a nod to the breaking, but not the actual breaking of the Bat. Then you dangle from a rope for a few months and boom. Spine realigned, a few crunches, pushups, and chinups later, we're ready to go back and for some reason now youre able to just take Bane to the cleaners. Oh, and how Bane didnt become pink mist when shot by the Batpod when we saw it take down an entire wall of crushed cars is quite beyond my comprehension.

The ending bugs me as well. Its like Nolan either didnt know what he wanted to do with it, or he wanted to just leave it open for interpretation, or try to please both the unhappy ending seekers as well as happy ending seekers, you just cant try to apply any logic to it or it all falls apart.

We assume that Batman is killed flying the bomb out over the bay. He says there's no auto pilot. We see Batman give that long stare into the camera and then boom. Okay, Bats is toast but he saved Gotham. Kind of a bummer, but we'll roll with it. Funeral, Alfred sobbing, Wayne's will being executed, the works. If it just stopped here, with "Robin" finding the cave it wouldve been fine.

But wait!

A dejected Fox talks to the techs to see what he couldve done to help with the Auto Pilot. Tech says that it was patched six months earlier by Bruce Wayne. Cut to Alfred in Florence and he sees Bruce and Selina.

So, is Alfred imagining Bruce and Selina? It is much better for Nolan's sake if he is. It insults our intelligence far less. But the majority say no no, Bruce fixed the auto pilot, he got out. And he didnt say anything to Alfred because it was just like in Alfred's fantasy where they would say nothing to each other but they would both know that he'd made it.

Well, then this brings to mind a quote from one of my favorite books, Misery, by Stephen King.


quote Annie Wilkes

They also called them serials. I'm not stupid ya know... Anyway, my favourite was Rocketman, and once it was a no brakes chapter. The bad guy stuck him in a car on a mountain road and knocked him out and welded the door shut and tore out the brakes and started him to his death, and he woke up and tried to steer and tried to get out but the car went off a cliff before he could escape! And it crashed and burned and I was so upset and excited, and the next week, you better believe I was first in line. And they always start with the end of the last week. And there was Rocketman, trying to get out, and here comes the cliff, and just before the car went off the cliff, he jumped free! And all the kids cheered! But I didn't cheer. I stood right up and started shouting. This isn't what happened last week! Have you all got amnesia? They just cheated us! This isn't fair! HE DID'NT GET OUT OF THE *bleep* - A - DOODIE CAR!


So what if Bruce fixed the auto pilot? He never got out. We watch the Bat fly right out over the ice (if you fall in, youre dead in minutes) and explode. And even if we, the viewers didnt see it, are we meant to believe that if Bruce got out of that thing before it blew, that NOBODY watching it fly out there saw anything? Weak.


You also mean to tell me that after that little bitch Selina Kyle trapped Bruce with Bane for him to get utterly destroyed that the actual Batman of comic lore would give two shits about her from then on is completely ridiculous. Theres no way he would take that shit, let alone run off to Florence with her. Its insulting.

The entire idea that Bruce just up and says "Peace, Im out" at all is just ludicrous. Its the main reason the death, while more of a downer is far more believable.

Ive got so many issues with this film I cant even list them all for fear of carpel tunnel. Pretty disappointed with it in general.


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[JD10367]

Originally Posted by Anyong Bluth

Makes me believe he's actually alive when coupled with Fox finding out autopilot was fixed - even though he's in the plane right as it explodes. Are we to assume that he released the bomb & then flew far enough to get out of the blast radius that should gave been fairly large.

I think I prefer if it was just Alfred's imagination, but unlikely. Ya, there are plenty of weak plot points, The one that I literally blurted out bullshit was after the truck drops to the sublevel / lower street and Gordon just pops out totally fine like a human wouldn't get seriously injured free falling in a giant metal box with other giant metal objects rattling around.

Guys. Batman lived. It's not an ambiguous ending. Bruce Wayne fixed the autopilot six weeks ago. Someone has the missing pearls. Someone fixed the Batsignal. He's alive. How in the hell did he escape a nuclear blast while flying at 100+MPH and dragging a bomb over the ocean? Who the **** knows. He's Batman, that's how. He has cool planes and bikes and cars and computers and little keyfobs that can deactivate paparazzi cameras and whatnot. He's escaped from a myriad of situations throughout his comic and movie career (not the least of which was, in this film, recovering from a nearly broken back). Do we really need a concrete reasonable explanation as to how he did it?

As for the Gordon/truck thing, I guess the rationale there is that the bomb was pretty heavy and probably didn't move around much (although I'd have to go back and re-examine the other film footage, as the bomb didn't seem that heavy earlier). And they do "wound" Gordon by showing him grabbing his arm as he asks Catwoman to help him get the bomb out of the truck (I assume their attempts to deflect the valid "how could he be fine?!?" complaint). And, when you think about the physics, the cab of the truck is what smashed into the pavement and absorbed the shock of the fall; the back end just sort of tilts and then falls straight down using only the kinetic force of gravity (whereas the cab smashed with the kinetic force of the speeding truck).

[Micjones]

Originally Posted by JD10367

Guys. Batman lived. It's not an ambiguous ending. Bruce Wayne fixed the autopilot six weeks ago. Someone has the missing pearls. Someone fixed the Batsignal. He's alive. How in the hell did he escape a nuclear blast while flying at 100+MPH and dragging a bomb over the ocean? Who the **** knows. He's Batman, that's how. He has cool planes and bikes and cars and computers and little keyfobs that can deactivate paparazzi cameras and whatnot. He's escaped from a myriad of situations throughout his comic and movie career (not the least of which was, in this film, recovering from a nearly broken back). Do we really need a concrete reasonable explanation as to how he did it?

Not having a reasonable explanation for something that happened in a film is like having a tag sticking up in a t-shirt. It's irritating. I'm analytical so it's probably gonna bug the shit out of me until I get it figured out. "He escaped cause he's Batman" isn't satisfying to me. I haven't thought much about it since seeing TDKR though. I'm just speaking in general terms.

[Mr. Plow]

Originally Posted by Micjones

Not having a reasonable explanation for something that happened in a film is like having a tag sticking up in a t-shirt. It's irritating. I'm analytical so it's probably gonna bug the shit out of me until I get it figured out. "He escaped cause he's Batman" isn't satisfying to me. I haven't thought much about it since seeing TDKR though. I'm just speaking in general terms.

The Soprano's ending must still bug the shit out of you.

[Red Brooklyn]

Originally Posted by Silock

Yes, it's Nolan's Batman. Where the guy, who isn't Batman, but is named Robin, is going to be Batman . . . because Bruce Wayne left him some toys? I don't think so.

I imagine he'll be taking over Batman as well. It's possible he'll be a different hero. But I don't imagine it'll be Robin.

Mainly because... you know... his name is Robin. Pretty stupid superhero to name his superhero identity after his super top secret identity.

[Micjones]

Originally Posted by Mr. Plow

The Soprano's ending must still bug the shit out of you.

I never watched that show.

[Mr. Plow]

Originally Posted by Micjones

I never watched that show.

Ahhhh, gotcha. I wouldn't suggest it then.

[lcarus]

Originally Posted by Micjones

Not having a reasonable explanation for something that happened in a film is like having a tag sticking up in a t-shirt. It's irritating. I'm analytical so it's probably gonna bug the shit out of me until I get it figured out. "He escaped cause he's Batman" isn't satisfying to me. I haven't thought much about it since seeing TDKR though. I'm just speaking in general terms.

The ending to this movie is nothing new to me, since I recently watched the House series finale and the Sherlock season 2 finale. The last episode of Sherlock still bugs me but at least that will likely get resolved in the next season. Which won't air for a long time yet.

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by Red Brooklyn

I imagine he'll be taking over Batman as well. It's possible he'll be a different hero. But I don't imagine it'll be Robin.

Mainly because... you know... his name is Robin. Pretty stupid superhero to name his superhero identity after his super top secret identity.

What's wrong with that for a secret identity? /Clark Kent