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Sure-Oz · 04:50 PM

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Cubs Acquire Rich Harden and Chad Gaudin
By Tim Dierkes [July 8 at 5:25pm CST]

5:36pm: The Cubs' press release is out. The Cubs get Harden and Chad Gaudin for Gallagher, Murton, Patterson, and catching prospect Josh Donaldson. Jim Hendry did his best to counter the Brewers' acquisition of CC Sabathia. The A's get three MLB-ready players plus a solid offense-oriented catching prospect

Harden, 26, has been dominant in 13 starts for the A's this year. The injury-prone Harden is a tantalizing player; he's only topped 130 innings once but has a career ERA of 3.42. The latest concern: decreased velocity/dead arm in his last start. Harden has a $7MM club option for '09, which is highly likely to be exercised.

SPATCH · 07-08-2008, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Ultra Peanut

It wasn't Pau for Kwame. It was Pau for Javaris Crittendon (2007 1st rounder), Marc Gasol (07-08 Spanish league MVP), a 2008 1st rounder (Darrell Arthur), a 2010 1st rounder, and expirings.

As a Grizzlies fan, I'm not too upset about that deal, since it's positioned the team to make a big addition next summer (Boozer pls kthx) after accumulating a really talented backcourt and some nice frontcourt prospects in Arthur and Gasol (plus Warrick, who could be a valuable trade piece).

that is the most wonderful spin i have ever seen put on that trade... nice work.

not to derail this thread or anything

Frazod · 07-08-2008, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by the_spatula

have no idea why you are using "you/your" when you're addressing me. i'm not a cubs fan if that is what you think.

i'm just saying that the cardinals have been banking on the cubs/brewers/astros to eat shit when it matters for too long now. if they don't make a move, they won't make the playoffs.

Well, pardon me. Generally you'd have to be a Cubs homer to be spouting that "class of the NL" horseshit.

Ultra Peanut · 07-08-2008, 07:05 PM

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Oh yeah. Real tough stretch there where you clowns didn't play a team with a winning record for over a month.

Oh, you mean April? Funny that you're ruminating on that, because they just came out of a month with a tough schedule in which they played long stretches without their best offensive outfielder and their ace pitcher, yet finished 15-12 despite a 1-5 slump at the end of said difficult month.

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Let's start printing World Series t-shirts because you can beat the crap out of Pittsburgh.

It's not the Cubs' fault that the Cardinals are 4-5 against the ****ing Pirates. Yeah, that's a whopping three games less than the Cubs have played against them.

Good teams beat bad teams. That's kind of the job.

Four teams in all of baseball have winning records on the road. Two of them lead their division (by 6 and 1.5 games), one is 3.5 games back, and the other is 8.5 games back.

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Originally Posted by frazod

Generally you'd have to be a Cubs homer to be spouting that "class of the NL" horseshit.

Yeah, having a run differential of +100 and leading the division that features the three best records in the league completely fails to resemble the "class" of said league.

Coach · 07-08-2008, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod

Well, pardon me. Generally you'd have to be a Cubs homer to be spouting that "class of the NL" horseshit.

Even an average MLB fan would generally concede to the fact that the Cubs are the class of the NL, currently.

Ultra Peanut · 07-08-2008, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by the_spatula

that is the most wonderful spin i have ever seen put on that trade... nice work.

not to derail this thread or anything

It's not spin, just an acknowledgment of the fact that the Grizzlies got some solid young players and a shitload of cap space in return. I know the popular thing to do as soon as the trade was announced was to say, "HURRR GRIZZLIES R DUMN," (thanks for the insight, ESPN!) but it wasn't even remotely the "magic beans" scenario it was painted as. The team wasn't going anywhere with Pau's skillset/contract combination, and this afforded a chance to rebuild.

Frazod · 07-08-2008, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Ultra Peanut

Oh, you mean April? Funny that you're ruminating on that, because they just came out of a month with a tough schedule in which they played long stretches without their best offensive outfielder and their ace pitcher, yet finished 15-12 despite a 1-5 slump at the end of said difficult month.

It's not the Cubs' fault that the Cardinals are 4-5 against the ****ing Pirates. Yeah, that's a whopping three games less than the Cubs have played against them.

Good teams beat bad teams. That's kind of the job.

Four teams in all of baseball have winning records on the road. Two of them lead their division (by 6 and 1.5 games), one is 3.5 games back, and the other is 8.5 games back.

I wasn't even talking about April. From May 5 until June 17, the Cubs did not play a team that currently has a winning record. Check it yourself if you don't believe me. To be fair though, at the time, Arizona did have a winning record, so let's call it from May 12 to June 17. Still over a month.

Wow, I'm just in fucking awe over Cub greatness.

And BTW, as you certainly know, one of the Four teams that has a winning road record is St. Louis.

Frazod · 07-08-2008, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach

Even an average MLB fan would generally concede to the fact that the Cubs are the class of the NL, currently.

Sorry, but being the flavor of the month cock at ESPN doesn't impress me. Beating up on the dregs of the league doesn't impress me. The Cubs have only won TWO series against a winning team all year - a two game sweep against the .506 Mets at home in April, and this past weekend in St. Louis. And it's not like they exactly beat the hell out of us, either.

Perhaps they should win at least one more series against a good team before we anoint them as the '27 Yankees.

Ultra Peanut · 07-08-2008, 07:40 PM

Farewell, sweet prince.

SPATCH · 07-08-2008, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod

Sorry, but being the flavor of the month cock at ESPN doesn't impress me. Beating up on the dregs of the league doesn't impress me. The Cubs have only won TWO series against a winning team all year - a two game sweep against the .506 Mets at home in April, and this past weekend in St. Louis. And it's not like they exactly beat the hell out of us, either.

Perhaps they should win at least one more series against a good team before we anoint them as the '27 Yankees.

that's not true... i can already think of one more off the top of my head. didn't they sweep the white sox in the north side?

Pasta Little Brioni · 07-08-2008, 08:05 PM

Great deal for the Cubs. Even though Harden is injury prone, they really didn't give up anyone that probably fit in thier future plans. Well worth the risk for a talent like Harden.....that said i hope he gets a hangnail and hits the DL ASAP

Pasta Little Brioni · 07-08-2008, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod

Sorry, but being the flavor of the month cock at ESPN doesn't impress me. Beating up on the dregs of the league doesn't impress me. The Cubs have only won TWO series against a winning team all year - a two game sweep against the .506 Mets at home in April, and this past weekend in St. Louis. And it's not like they exactly beat the hell out of us, either.

Perhaps they should win at least one more series against a good team before we anoint them as the '27 Yankees.

Can't wait till the Cards "acquire" 2 stud pitchers when Wainwright and Carpenter come back...HEH

Jewish Rabbi · 07-08-2008, 08:10 PM

Not saying the Cardinals are going to win the division, or even make the playoffs, because I'm not sure Mozeliak will go out and get some bullpen help, but it's kinda ridiculous to count out the Cards. They've found ways to win thus far into the season, and are ahead of the Brewers in the standings. Over the past few days on ESPN, the Cardinals haven't been discussed when it comes to winning the Central OR Wild Card.

Frazod · 07-08-2008, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by the_spatula

that's not true... i can already think of one more off the top of my head. didn't they sweep the white sox in the north side?

I stand corrected

I got wrapped up in their stats against the NL.

So they've won three.

Impressive.

Frazod · 07-08-2008, 08:13 PM

Right now offensive seems to be the Cards' biggest problem. They won tonight, but the final score was 2-0.

But against the Phillies, ON THE ROAD, I'll take it.

SPATCH · 07-08-2008, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod

I stand corrected

I got wrapped up in their stats against the NL.

So they've won three.

Impressive.

winning records are scantly present in the NL...

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Sure-Oz Stay positive, don't give up Join Date: Dec 2001 Casino cash: $3369383	Cubs acquire Rich Harden http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/0...kaplan-of.html Cubs Acquire Rich Harden and Chad Gaudin By Tim Dierkes [July 8 at 5:25pm CST] 5:36pm: The Cubs' press release is out. The Cubs get Harden and Chad Gaudin for Gallagher, Murton, Patterson, and catching prospect Josh Donaldson. Jim Hendry did his best to counter the Brewers' acquisition of CC Sabathia. The A's get three MLB-ready players plus a solid offense-oriented catching prospect Harden, 26, has been dominant in 13 starts for the A's this year. The injury-prone Harden is a tantalizing player; he's only topped 130 innings once but has a career ERA of 3.42. The latest concern: decreased velocity/dead arm in his last start. Harden has a $7MM club option for '09, which is highly likely to be exercised. Last edited by Sure-Oz; 07-08-2008 at 04:50 PM..
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Frazod WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $3055085	Right now offensive seems to be the Cards' biggest problem. They won tonight, but the final score was 2-0. But against the Phillies, ON THE ROAD, I'll take it.
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