2014-2015 NBA regular season thread.

[Al Bundy]

I will update this when the schedule is announced in a couple of weeks, but I will open with the new uniforms for the Charlotte Hornets below.

Introducing the brand new Charlotte #HornetsUnis! http://t.co/MgHy2DcOTX pic.twitter.com/w59MlUvRgd

— Charlotte Hornets (@hornets) June 19, 2014

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by SNR

This.

You can find cheap strong SF defenders anywhere. When Lebron goes to the bench, just run shit through Waiters, Irving, and Love. I threw up the idea of the Wolves throwing in Luc Mbah a Moute as just an example. If it's defense that the Cavs are worried about, you don't need a super stud talent like Wiggins to do that shit for you in the short term future.

I'm not saying Cavs fans should be excited to get rid of Wiggins, but insisting that the team hold onto him or no Love deal is just greed. Yes, that would ****ing rule if he fulfilled his potential and kept the Cavs going even as Lebron got older or left the team. You know what else would ****ing rule? Just winning a goddamn championship for the Cleveland Cavaliers. Possibly two.

The Cavs have the best shot of making that happen right now with Kevin Love. The team has done enough falling ass over tea kettle into outstanding draft picks. It's time to put all that good fortune to use and make an actual team that can win a title or two in the next two seasons.

Except that Wiggins projects to be a solid offensive player with upside to be excellent. We only talk about defense because that feels like more of a known commodity.

The lineup of love, Kyrie, and Waiters first of all forces Kyrie and Waiters to play together. I'm not convinced they can. Secondly, who in that lineup then guards the top scorer? With your entire cap locked into three players, how will you fill your huge gaps to find one defensive stopper to give LeBron a rest and some kind of true inside presence? Wiggins fits perfectly into the mix because he's insurance in case Waiters becomes a pain in the ass, he plays defense on a team that badly needs it, and he'll be a good system player in an offense where you'll have Kyrie, Waiters, and to some level LeBron adjusting to getting less touches.

And with the extra ten mill, you can find someone who actually complements the team.

[chiefzilla1501]

The cavs would wait until mid season. Let the team for an identity. See what you have short term in Wiggins. Give Bennett a shot to prove his work and possibly up his trade value. In the meantime, they'll increase their leverage with Minnesota for a trade.

[KevB]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

The cavs would wait until mid season. Let the team for an identity. See what you have short term in Wiggins. Give Bennett a shot to prove his work and possibly up his trade value. In the meantime, they'll increase their leverage with Minnesota for a trade.

Very well could be their decision, and I wouldn't blame them. But of course the risk is that another team swoops in and trades for him. GSW decides to throw Klay in, Chicago offers Mirotic/Gibson and a 1 at them, etc.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Except that Wiggins projects to be a solid offensive player with upside to be excellent. We only talk about defense because that feels like more of a known commodity.

The lineup of love, Kyrie, and Waiters first of all forces Kyrie and Waiters to play together. I'm not convinced they can. Secondly, who in that lineup then guards the top scorer? With your entire cap locked into three players, how will you fill your huge gaps to find one defensive stopper to give LeBron a rest and some kind of true inside presence? Wiggins fits perfectly into the mix because he's insurance in case Waiters becomes a pain in the ass, he plays defense on a team that badly needs it, and he'll be a good system player in an offense where you'll have Kyrie, Waiters, and to some level LeBron adjusting to getting less touches.

And with the extra ten mill, you can find someone who actually complements the team.

Waiters doesn't want to cooperate? Trade him.

Lebron needs a rest defending the other team's best player? Like I said, bring someone in who can do that off the bench.

Corey Brewer last year signed a deal for 3 years and 15 million. He's a starter on a shitty Minnesota team. But off the bench? He's exactly what the Cavs need. And guess what Wiggins is going to earn in his first season? 5-6 million. The exact same money.

As a Chiefs fan, I know a bit what Cavs fans are feeling. And I know the two sports and leagues are completely different, but if there were some way for the Chiefs to bank on 2 or 3 seasons with the best chance the team has ever had at winning a Super Bowl or two, I'd take that if it meant sacrificing the future.

And look, I'm just throwing out shit in the air. Corey Brewer is most likely not going to get traded to the Cavs as a part of the Love deal. I understand that. What I'm saying is that the solutions to the weaknesses of a Cavs roster that has Love instead of Wiggins are easy fixes that you're not thinking about right now.

And I STILL say you are WAAAY undervaluing what Kevin Love can do for your Cavs team. Have you even seen him play basketball more than a couple of times?

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Report: Cavaliers, Timberwolves still talking Kevin Love for Andrew Wiggins trade, with Bennett also in now http://t.co/koOE4H9S8t

— Kurt Helin (@basketballtalk) July 18, 2014

[RustShack]

Irving and Waiters are great now. Waiters is one if the guys James has talked to the most, and Tristan Thompson.

[BWillie]

Can't wait for Wiggs to be on his own. I'm probably the only KU fan that wants him not on a team with Lebron. Just because I want to show everyone that he can be a superstar on his own, and I Don't have to hear this stupid alpha dog nonsense anymore.

[RustShack]

Wiggins will be a superstar. And when the decline of James comes Wiggins will be there to help carry him to another ring or two.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by RustShack

Wiggins will be a superstar. And when the decline of James comes Wiggins will be playing for the Minnesota Timberwolves.

FYP

[-King-]

Am I the only one who thinks Wiggins will just be a really good player and that's pretty much it? Like a Shawn Marion type player. I just don't see him as a superstar.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by -King-

Am I the only one who thinks Wiggins will just be a really good player and that's pretty much it? Like a Shawn Marion type player. I just don't see him as a superstar.

I'm with you there, but I still just have the bad taste of the Stanford game in my mouth, when he was basically shut down.

I know experience and more coaching would have helped, but damn. That was depressing as ****.

[KevB]

Originally Posted by SNR

I'm with you there, but I still just have the bad taste of the Stanford game in my mouth, when he was basically shut down.

I know experience and more coaching would have helped, but damn. That was depressing as ****.

And with the season on the line, Connor Frankamp was the go to player instead of the #1 pick in the draft. Not sure there's ever been a superstar in the NBA that wasn't the guy getting the important shots at the end of their college season (I'm sure there are examples, but not many).

[RustShack]

Originally Posted by -King-

Am I the only one who thinks Wiggins will just be a really good player and that's pretty much it? Like a Shawn Marion type player. I just don't see him as a superstar.

As long as he plays defense well it's fine. We don't need a team full of All-Stars to win. James and Irving are better than that. Waiters can be like what Harden was off then bench for the Thunder. Bennett, Thompson and Varejeo can all get double doubles. Obviously there's not enough ball for all three to average that, but they are all more than capable. The Timberwolves need the trade to happen 10x more than we do.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by RustShack

As long as he plays defense well it's fine. We don't need a team full of All-Stars to win. James and Irving are better than that. Waiters can be like what Harden was off then bench for the Thunder. Bennett, Thompson and Varejeo can all get double doubles. Obviously there's not enough ball for all three to average that, but they are all more than capable. The Timberwolves need the trade to happen 10x more than we do.

You're worse than Knowmo you ****ing freak

[KevB]

Originally Posted by SNR

You're worse than Knowmo you ****ing freak

It has to be trolling. It just has to be. Bennett can just fall into double doubles. Just look at his history? It's a given.