"Obesity is a disease not a decision"

[WhiteWhale]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Not true. I know a lot of people that over eat but are not over weight. I know a lot of people that watch what they eat and are very careful because they can gain weight easily. There are too many variables to say that.

If you put in more than you take out, then you are over-eating. I 'over-eat' if one simply looks at volume (4000+ calories per day) but I also am very active and that means I require more calories to function.

Nobody can 'over-eat' and not get fat... because they are obviously burning more calories than they are putting in their bodies. Genetics plays a role, but that doesn't mean people are diseased because some food causes them to gain weight faster than myself. IF that's the case all mexicans are diseased because a lot of american style foods (with lots of cheese) makes them fat. I think that's probably bullshit.

Pay attention to your body and how it reacts to certain foods.

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Not true. I know a lot of people that over eat but are not over weight. I know a lot of people that watch what they eat and are very careful because they can gain weight easily. There are too many variables to say that.

I once at 5,000 calories a day when I was Olympic lifting and didn't gain a single pound. I weighed 190lbs at the time, not fat. I was "over eating" like a mother ****er, fast food almost every night just to get calories.

I didn't gain a single pound so technically I was not over-eating like you would claim. Metabolism is influenced by exercise. Want to eat what you currently are but not gain weight...burn more calories and increase your resting metabolism.

The people who you say are over-eating probably have increased their metabolism and thus get to eat more than your fat/sedentary friends who watch what they eat.

[cdcox]

Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

Over-eating causes obesity (a condition) which causes diseases (like heart disease and diabetes).

This is the same line of shit they pull with alcoholism. Alcoholism is not a disease. It's a self inflicted condition created by the choices that person has made. Obesity is a self inflicted condition that raises your chance of all kinds of diseases, but people are not simply 'stricken' with obesity unless they have a legit medical condition (as some do).

At some point the alcoholic no longer has a choice whether they drink or not. Their brain is wired differently such that the decision making pathways are bypassed. This is a medical fact. Can they recover? Yes with treatment. But it is very unlikely for them to get better through will power. Sounds like a disease to me.

Food triggers the same pleasure centers that alcohol does. To the same extent to where the brain gets rewired? I don't know. I do know that if we had less obesity, we'd be better off as a society. If that means making treatment more available and calling it a disease to get more medical attention focused on it, I don't see the problem with it.

[houstonwhodat]

Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

Over-eating causes obesity (a condition) which causes diseases (like heart disease and diabetes).

This is the same line of shit they pull with alcoholism. Alcoholism is not a disease. It's a self inflicted condition created by the choices that person has made. Obesity is a self inflicted condition that raises your chance of all kinds of diseases, but people are not simply 'stricken' with obesity unless they have a legit medical condition (as some do).

You are a ****ing idiot.

[GloucesterChief]

Originally Posted by Sannyasi

Why is Type 2 Diabetes, which is the result of obesity, a disease but obesity isn't?

Type 2 Diabetes is a disease because it is not causes by obesity. Research has shown that Type 2 has a very very strong genetic component. It runs in families and there are thin Type 2 diabetics.

So, far research has shown that Type 2 deals with at least one disorder in the way the digestive system processes carbs.

[Lex Luthor]

Originally Posted by GloucesterChief

Type 2 Diabetes is a disease because it is not causes by obesity. Research has shown that Type 2 has a very very strong genetic component. It runs in families and there are thin Type 2 diabetics.

So, far research has shown that Type 2 deals with at least one disorder in the way the digestive system processes carbs.

That's exactly right. There are extremely obese people who have do not have Type 2 Diabetes, and there are people who are thin as a rail that do.

Being overweight DOES exacerbate the effects of Type 2 Diabetes, but anyone who thinks that people with the disease deserve it because they overeat is an asshole.

[Psyko Tek]

Originally Posted by Sannyasi

Sorry but you are conflating two different things. Obesity can be a choice and still be a disease. If a smoker gets lung cancer, is it not a disease in their case because they chose to smoke? Does someone who tans everyday and gets skin cancer not have a disease? Why is Type 2 Diabetes, which is the result of obesity, a disease but obesity isn't?

I don't know whether obesity should be classified as a disease or not, I just think your argument is horseshit.

obesity may have a genetic disposition, but it is also a learned response
not over eating , but bad eating is what I would think is usual
cause I suck at that
veggies? do pickles count?
I can afford protein, vegetables and fruit are luxury items, beer , and smokes are a necessity

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by Psyko Tek

obesity may have a genetic disposition, but it is also a learned response
not over eating , but bad eating is what I would think is usual
cause I suck at that
veggies? do pickles count?
I can afford protein, vegetables and fruit are luxury items, beer , and smokes are a necessity

I think overeating is an American thing that can probabpy be attributed to plate/dish size. Also, quite a few Americans are told since they were little to "finish their plates" and "don't waste food"

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by Sorter

I think overeating is an American thing that can probabpy be attributed to plate/dish size. Also, quite a few Americans are told since they were little to "finish their plates" and "don't waste food"

My mother-in-law was raised by parents that barely survived the Great Depression and she can't throw away food. It is so ingrained that I have seen her in the kitchen after dinner finishing off all the leftovers where there isn't really enough to save (spoonful of corn or half a potato, things like that). I try to tell her that it's like she's making herself a human garbage disposal but that mindset is too strong.

When she visits and helps my wife clean up after dinner, she saves the weirdest stuff, like the juice from canned peaches. We end up tossing most of it after she leaves.

[KCUnited]

If obesity is a disease, I'm working in Calcutta. Seriously, we got a coffee/pastry food truck outside, a breakfast vendor on site, and differing lunch vendosr/food trucks arriving throughout the day. Yesterday KFC was onsite and people were acting like Shroud's was in the breakroom pan frying up chicken, it was like they never heard of KFC before. It's an all day operation of shit food. It's 8:30 am and the food consumption planning conversations are already firing up.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by Sorter

I think overeating is an American thing that can probabpy be attributed to plate/dish size. Also, quite a few Americans are told since they were little to "finish their plates" and "don't waste food"

What's funny is I can pin point the exact moment when I became fat. My Dad was in the Air Force and got orders to Japan. He went there before us for 6 months to get everything set up. During that time.....my Mom, brother and I went to live with my Grandparents on their farm. My Grandma would not let you leave the table until you ate everything on your plate.....and she would make us WHATEVER we wanted. My Dad said that when we got off the plane in Japan....he didn't recognize me because I had gained so much weight...and I was only 8. It's been a ****ing battle ever since.

[notorious]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

What's funny is I can pin point the exact moment when I became fat. My Dad was in the Air Force and got orders to Japan. He went there before us for 6 months to get everything set up. During that time.....my Mom, brother and I went to live with my Grandparents on their farm. My Grandma would not let you leave the table until you ate everything on your plate.....and she would make us WHATEVER we wanted. My Dad said that when we got off the plane in Japan....he didn't recognize me because I had gained so much weight...and I was only 8. It's been a ****ing battle ever since.

The same thing with my parents on our farm, except I had to work my ****ing ass off at that age.

[Dunerdr]

Lazy is not a disease. No one should be in disability because they are a fatass.

[keg in kc]

It's way more complicated than everyone being "soft" or lazy. And it has as much to do with the kind of food we eat as the amount. Everything is processed and loaded with sugar and corn syrup. Add to that the fact that the majority of us work indoor jobs where we spend 10 hours a day on our asses in front of computer screens and it's pretty easy to see what the end result will be.

[JoeyChuckles]

It's pretty much the same as any addiction, which is a disease.

The only difference is that we will no longer be able to make fun of fat people since it is not their fault.