Chiefs Tyler Bray, not Patrick Mahomes, is the Chiefs’ No. 2 quarterback so far - Page 4

Deberg_1990 · 05-26-2017, 03:40 PM

When the Chiefs selected Patrick Mahomes II with the 10th overall pick in the NFL Draft — after trading a 2018 first-round pick to do it — it would have been easy for backup quarterback Tyler Bray to mentally go in the tank.

The 25-year-old Bray spent the previous four seasons learning coach Andy Reid’s offense, and the Chiefs still opted to sacrifice premium draft capital to select another young quarterback with traits to mirror Bray’s cannon for an arm and love for the deep ball.

But Bray, an undrafted free agent in 2013, is no stranger to competition. He beat out 2014 fifth-round pick Aaron Murray for the backup job a year ago, though he had the No. 2 spot usurped from him by veteran Nick Foles during training camp.

And Bray functioned as the Chiefs’ No. 2 quarterback ahead of Mahomes this week during the Chiefs’ first three of 10 voluntary offseason practices. Bray knows that as long as he has a job in the NFL, he has a chance to play.

“It’s the same thing every year — you’ve got to come out there and compete,” Bray said. “We’ve drafted a guy every year … you can’t just sit back (and say) ‘Aw, here we go again.’ I mean, it’s the NFL. They’re going to bring in guys every year that are competing to start.”

Reid emphasized Thursday that Bray again has an opportunity to hold onto the No. 2 job, despite Mahomes’ presence and the fact Bray is slated to be an unrestricted free agent after the season.

“He’s going to compete — I would tell you that’s what he does,” Reid said of Bray. “He’s earned the right to be in that position and now he’s got to maintain it.”

What could complicate things for Bray is that the Chiefs’ No. 2 quarterback only gets a handful of practice snaps with the starters during the regular season. If the Chiefs are committed to getting Mahomes some snaps, it might make sense to install him as the top backup so he gets meaningful reps with the top offensive players.

But Reid also noted Thursday that young backup quarterbacks can still get on-field practice work during the regular season.

“Where they get their reps is on the scout team,” Reid said. “Then you try to tie that in to what (the first-teamers) do the best way you possibly can.”

Which makes the mental reps the backups take — when they watch starter Alex Smith run the offense — as important as on-field reps. And given the way coaches and teammates have complimented Bray’s improved knowledge of the playbook, it appears he has taken advantage of those mental reps.

For instance, Bray wasn’t asked to execute all of the Chiefs’ offensive concepts in practice last season. But Reid said that is no longer the case.

“For the most part, this is the first time he’s had the whole thing thrown at him and been expected to do it,” Reid said. “He’s doing a nice job with it. Tyler is very much improved from where we initially got him.”

Bray says he’s at the point where he’s able to point out when teammates are lined up incorrectly, even slightly.

“Just detailing where guys are supposed to be lined up,” he said. “Getting them to where they need to be and not just being like ‘Oh, he’s close enough.’”

Reid also praised Bray’s instincts and vision.

“There’s more than just the playbook,” Reid said, “there’s doing the things at the line of scrimmage that we ask him to do and adjustments we ask him to make, and he does well with those things.”

Bray and Mahomes aren’t the only quarterbacks in line behind Smith. Joel Stave, 25, was signed to the practice squad in November and re-signed to a reserve-futures contract in January. He’s 6 feet 5, 230 pounds and has a strong arm.

“He competes … he’s a smart kid and he’s learning,” Reid said. “Is he ‘there’ yet? No, but he’s showing improvement and that’s all you can ask of him until he gets a few more snaps under his belt.”

Stave says he’s primarily working on his footwork, decision-making and knowledge of the offense.

“It’s just a matter of continuing to understand the offense as well as I can,” he said, “and then playing as fast as I can.”

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jd1020 · 05-27-2017, 01:57 AM

Take it from a dumbass who said Alex has never had a top 3 defense to blame everyone but the QB.

You know who else doesn't choke on the Patriots?

Sweet Daddy Hate · 05-27-2017, 02:01 AM

What the **** does the Colts PO game have to do with last season and Smith's continued down slide?

jd1020 · 05-27-2017, 02:06 AM

Alex deserves all the credit for the wins of the Kansas City Chiefs and none of the blame on their losses or for his pathetic chicken shit play even though the portion of the team that he has the most influence on is by far the single worst entity on the team.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 05-27-2017, 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Alex deserves all the credit for the wins of the Kansas City Chiefs and none of the blame on their losses or for his pathetic chicken shit play even though the portion of the team that he has the most influence on is by far the single worst entity on the team.

Imma' start calling you "Home Run Derby".

BlackOp · 05-27-2017, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate

What the **** does the Colts PO game have to do with last season and Smith's continued down slide?

Kelce makes that catch on a perfect throw..its a different game. I mean..that was a perfect pass...inside the 10.

Are you going hate on Mahomes for losing a close game when Kelce drops another pass?

I realize that admitting the throw was on money detracts from the Alex hate...big time teams make big time plays. Kelce is small time when it matters...KC has been small time as a unit...and its not just Smith.

The only "big time" gamers are Hill and Peters...IMO

jd1020 · 05-27-2017, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp

Kelce makes that catch on a perfect throw..its a different game. I mean..that was a perfect pass...inside the 10.

Are you going hate on Mahomes for losing a close game when Kelce drops another pass?

If Mahomes plays like Smith and puts the team in the position where everything and everyone needs to be perfect to win then I will gladly throw him under the bus, especially if we are talking 10 ****ing years from now and he's still trying to be passed off as a playoff caliber QB.

BlackOp · 05-27-2017, 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Alex deserves all the credit for the wins of the Kansas City Chiefs and none of the blame on their losses or for his pathetic chicken shit play even though the portion of the team that he has the most influence on is by far the single worst entity on the team.

I'm not sure you introspectively understand your "god" complex...in projecting all highs and lows on a single entity. Pragmatic evaluations are lost...there are a lot of things that happen within the course of game that are out of a QBs control.

Hali catches the the pass from Brady that hits him in hands?..what happens next? Davis doesnt fumble inside NE territory..what happens next?

BlackOp · 05-27-2017, 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

If Mahomes plays like Smith and puts the team in the position where everything and everyone needs to be perfect to win then I will gladly throw him under the bus, especially if we are talking 10 ****ing years from now and he's still trying to be passed off as a playoff caliber QB.

KC has lost 2 playoff games by 1 and 2 points...another by 7. Teams have to be almost perfect to win at that level...In your dream world,,, KC blows everyone out with Mahomes riding a unicorn into a pot of gold.

jd1020 · 05-27-2017, 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp

Teams have to be almost perfect to win at that level...In your dream world

Not teams. The Chiefs. One team. Singular.

A team that is led by a QB that habitually throws 8 yards short of the first down marker on 3rd down has to be perfect, as you have so elegantly pointed out because 1 dropped pass lost the game. **** the sacks. **** the delay of games. **** the checkdowns on plays with receivers in their own zip code all alone for a walk in TD. **** the 12 minute offense in a 2 minute game... 1 dropped pass.

And sure you can blame the play calling, but as we have seen from all the gifs of the All-22 film that there is opportunity after opportunity to make a game changing play and it's not taken because the hot route is open for a 3 yard gain. Reuben Feffer takes more ****ing chances than our QB.

Reerun_KC · 05-27-2017, 04:12 AM

Tyler Bray is such a laughable ballsack.

BlackOp · 05-27-2017, 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Not teams. The Chiefs. One team. Singular.

A team that is led by a QB that habitually throws 8 yards short of the first down marker on 3rd down has to be perfect, as you have so elegantly pointed out because 1 dropped pass lost the game. **** the sacks. **** the delay of games. **** the checkdowns on plays with receivers in their own zip code all alone for a walk in TD. **** the 12 minute offense in a 2 minute game... 1 dropped pass.

And sure you can blame the play calling, but as we have seen from all the gifs of the All-22 film that there is opportunity after opportunity to make a game changing play and it's not taken because the hot route is open for a 3 yard gain. Reuben Feffer takes more ****ing chances than our QB.

You're going to be a sad, idealistic football fan..if you expect Mahomes to fix all things you blame Smith for.

jd1020 · 05-27-2017, 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp

You're going to be a sad, idealistic football fan..if you expect Mahomes to fix all things you blame Smith for.

He can't possibly do that because Alex is perfect.

How do you manage to get around in this world with that sudsy scrotum of his you wash dangling millimeters from your face?

Alex is largely responsible for one of the worst passing offenses in the game. You act like Mahomes is going to be asked to raise the ****ing Titanic here. Now that I think about it, he sort of will be asked to do that because you can't get much closer to the bottom than the Chiefs passing attack. Even if he turns out to be less than expected and doesn't work out the Chiefs will move on like they are moving on from Smith. It's what fans of the actually team will do. And it's what you should do when he's stuck in Cleveland hell... move the **** on with him.

-King- · 05-27-2017, 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

If he names Mahomes #2 right away, you lose competition. I hope by Training Camp Mahomes is #2, and after the Bye week he is #1. Could be two weeks after the Bye just so Mahomes doesn't have to open on the road against the G-men.

If Mahones starts any games this season, something has gone extremely wrong and it won't just be Alex smith. That means the entire roster had grossly underperformed.
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-King- · 05-27-2017, 04:37 AM

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Poor record? Pretty tough schedule before the bye!

Other than the Patriots game, it's not that hard of a schedule. We should be favored in at least 6 out of the 9 games before the bye.
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milkman · 05-27-2017, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp

He threw for 370+ 4 td and no INTs vs. the Colts... its one the best PO performances in NFL history...rarefied air.

All the hate generated here cant erase that FACT.....and they pretend it never happened because it doesn't fit the narrative. They want one person to blame..and one only. Mahomes is now the savior...

Kelce dropping passes...nope. Davis fumbling in NE territory..nope. Berry getting schooled by Gronk for a TD...Nope. Charles getting a concussion...nope. Flowers getting hurt ...nope. Hali dropping a Brady INT...nope. Fisher holding...nope. Bowe not getting both feet down...nope. Its ALL Smith....

KC has sucked..as a team..when the bright light are on. (Playoffs) They have made critical mistakes that world champions dont...and had some terrible luck too. Patriots role player dont choke...

That Colt playoff game, along with the comeback game against the Chargers, is the reason that Alex Smith is so frustrating.

Those games demonstrate that he has the talent and ability to be a big time QB, but he simply lacks the balls to play at that level consistently.

And yes, the drops, the mistakes, the breakdowns by other players all contributed to the losses, so the losses are not all on Alex Smith.

However, all those mistakes combined don't match the number of missed opportunities that Smith fails to take advantage of.

05-26-2017, 03:40 PM
Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $3914454	Tyler Bray, not Patrick Mahomes, is the Chiefs’ No. 2 quarterback so far When the Chiefs selected Patrick Mahomes II with the 10th overall pick in the NFL Draft — after trading a 2018 first-round pick to do it — it would have been easy for backup quarterback Tyler Bray to mentally go in the tank. The 25-year-old Bray spent the previous four seasons learning coach Andy Reid’s offense, and the Chiefs still opted to sacrifice premium draft capital to select another young quarterback with traits to mirror Bray’s cannon for an arm and love for the deep ball. But Bray, an undrafted free agent in 2013, is no stranger to competition. He beat out 2014 fifth-round pick Aaron Murray for the backup job a year ago, though he had the No. 2 spot usurped from him by veteran Nick Foles during training camp. And Bray functioned as the Chiefs’ No. 2 quarterback ahead of Mahomes this week during the Chiefs’ first three of 10 voluntary offseason practices. Bray knows that as long as he has a job in the NFL, he has a chance to play. “It’s the same thing every year — you’ve got to come out there and compete,” Bray said. “We’ve drafted a guy every year … you can’t just sit back (and say) ‘Aw, here we go again.’ I mean, it’s the NFL. They’re going to bring in guys every year that are competing to start.” Reid emphasized Thursday that Bray again has an opportunity to hold onto the No. 2 job, despite Mahomes’ presence and the fact Bray is slated to be an unrestricted free agent after the season. “He’s going to compete — I would tell you that’s what he does,” Reid said of Bray. “He’s earned the right to be in that position and now he’s got to maintain it.” What could complicate things for Bray is that the Chiefs’ No. 2 quarterback only gets a handful of practice snaps with the starters during the regular season. If the Chiefs are committed to getting Mahomes some snaps, it might make sense to install him as the top backup so he gets meaningful reps with the top offensive players. But Reid also noted Thursday that young backup quarterbacks can still get on-field practice work during the regular season. “Where they get their reps is on the scout team,” Reid said. “Then you try to tie that in to what (the first-teamers) do the best way you possibly can.” Which makes the mental reps the backups take — when they watch starter Alex Smith run the offense — as important as on-field reps. And given the way coaches and teammates have complimented Bray’s improved knowledge of the playbook, it appears he has taken advantage of those mental reps. For instance, Bray wasn’t asked to execute all of the Chiefs’ offensive concepts in practice last season. But Reid said that is no longer the case. “For the most part, this is the first time he’s had the whole thing thrown at him and been expected to do it,” Reid said. “He’s doing a nice job with it. Tyler is very much improved from where we initially got him.” Bray says he’s at the point where he’s able to point out when teammates are lined up incorrectly, even slightly. “Just detailing where guys are supposed to be lined up,” he said. “Getting them to where they need to be and not just being like ‘Oh, he’s close enough.’” Reid also praised Bray’s instincts and vision. “There’s more than just the playbook,” Reid said, “there’s doing the things at the line of scrimmage that we ask him to do and adjustments we ask him to make, and he does well with those things.” Bray and Mahomes aren’t the only quarterbacks in line behind Smith. Joel Stave, 25, was signed to the practice squad in November and re-signed to a reserve-futures contract in January. He’s 6 feet 5, 230 pounds and has a strong arm. “He competes … he’s a smart kid and he’s learning,” Reid said. “Is he ‘there’ yet? No, but he’s showing improvement and that’s all you can ask of him until he gets a few more snaps under his belt.” Stave says he’s primarily working on his footwork, decision-making and knowledge of the offense. “It’s just a matter of continuing to understand the offense as well as I can,” he said, “and then playing as fast as I can.” http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl...152686414.html
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