Jeff Flanagan: "Tyler Bray slow to grasp pro system"

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by beach tribe

I think Daniel gets in the way of truly evaluating either.

I agree for the most part but also see my previous post.

[beach tribe]

I can tell you now. Reid ain't flipping Daniel for SHIT.

[beach tribe]

I would rather have Daniel in that situation, but I feel like keeping the other two is the approach with the most upside.

[patteeu]

The Chiefs should make a concerted effort to make Tyler Bray attractive trade bait this pre-season. It would be great to get something by unloading our own version of Elvis Grbac on someone.

[rico]

Originally Posted by patteeu

The Chiefs should make a concerted effort to make Tyler Bray attractive trade bait this pre-season. It would be great to get something by unloading our own version of Elvis Grbac on someone.

Exactly...especially if Murray goes PUP.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by patteeu

The Chiefs should make a concerted effort to make Tyler Bray attractive trade bait this pre-season. It would be great to get something by unloading our own version of Elvis Grbac on someone.

It would be great if the Chiefs made a concerted effort to make Aaron Murray an attractive trade bait this pre-season. We've already got a short, noodle armed QB on the roster that doesn't have a crappy release, average athletics and questionable decision making.

Let's see...what would I rather have as a potential Chiefs QB:

6'6", 235 lbs. with great overhead release and an absolute cannon for an arm...

From NFL.com:

Strengths:
Bray uses his height to adequately survey the field and see over his offensive lineman, yet he also displays the flexibility to bend and reach for low shotgun snaps. Bray has elite arm strength, and generates this power through a consistent rotation of his hips. His throws are often tight spirals, and the velocity of his throws allows him to beat defenders to the spot. He shows the ability to manipulate the pocket, and change his arm slot, while still delivering accurate throws.

Weaknesses:
An extremely thin build, and won’t contribute much as a scrambler. His gamed is mired with tremendous inconsistencies, mostly rooted in a poor feel for the intricacies of the game. Accuracy and footwork can go array at any point in the game. Takes to many unnecessary risks. Has a tendency to stare down his targets. Did not develop in his Junior season as many had hoped.

NFL Comparison Jay Cutler

Bottom Line:
Based on pure arm talent, Bray is an extremely impressive quarterback prospect. However, his arm talent only resulted in a few standout plays amongst a season of poor decisions, and maddening inconsinstencies. An NFL team that drafts him will be doing so based on their faith in cleaning up the many aspects of Bray's game that leave much to be desired.

Sac's completely objective summary:

6'6" dude with a cannon and a great release. You can't coach up arm strength. You can coach up decision making and timing.

Chiefs Planet's reeruned summary:

He was an UDFA. He must suck. I can't wait until we spend a draft pick on a QB.

or

6', 207 lbs. with a poor release on a marginal arm...

From NFL.com:

Strengths:
Has a quick release and is light enough on his feet to escape the first wave and make some plays on the move. Solid decision-maker -- takes what the defense gives him. Fine short-to-intermediate accuracy. Good intangibles. Encouraging team leader with a likeable personality. Leads by example. Serves well as the face of the program. Outstanding work ethic. Is very intelligent and football smart. Experienced, four-year starter in the SEC.

Weaknesses:
Short and short-armed with a low release point that leads to batted balls. Very small-framed with a thin waist and a body that is not built to withstand the punishment that comes in the pocket. Average arm talent. Has to set his feet and everything needs to be perfect to function well. Could stand to improve his footwork. Marginal deep-ball accuracy -- tends to overstride and forces receivers to adjust. Many passes are pre-determined and often throws to spots. Loses poise under duress and can be rattled easily by pressure. Gets too jittery and anxious (overanalyzes) in big games and has a very low winning percentage vs. top-10 teams. Long-term durability is concerning.

Bottom Line:
Diminutive, game-managing pocket passer still recovering from a torn ACL. Would benefit from a moving pocket that can create open throwing lanes, yet does not have the foot quickness desired for a rollout passing game. Possesses a skill set most ideally suited for a backup or No. 3 role. Intelligence, intangibles and experience are all pluses.

Sac's completely objective summary:

Midget game manager with average arm and athleticism with durability concerns, but his teammates think he's a swell guy. NFL Comparison: Poor Man's Chase Daniel

Chief Planet's reeruned summary:

HOLY SHIT!!! We drafted a QB!!1!11! He's going to be the starter by mid-way through the season and we'll have our very own homegrown QBOTF!!! SUPER BOWL!!!!1!11!!wtfomgpwnzr!!!lololololo!!1! NFL Comparison: Joe Montana at his very best.

You guys are so ****ing hardup for any QB the Chiefs draft to be "the man" that you are willing to discount and dismiss what we already have on our roster just because we took one guy in the draft and the others we did not.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

It would be great if the Chiefs made a concerted effort to make Aaron Murray an attractive trade bait this pre-season. We've already got a short, noodle armed QB on the roster that doesn't have a crappy release, average athletics and questionable decision making.

Let's see...what would I rather have as a potential Chiefs QB:

6'6", 235 lbs. with great overhead release and an absolute cannon for an arm...

From NFL.com:



Sac's completely objective summary:

6'6" dude with a cannon and a great release. You can't coach up arm strength. You can coach up decision making and timing.

Chiefs Planet's reeruned summary:

He was an UDFA. He must suck. I can't wait until we spend a draft pick on a QB.

or

6', 207 lbs. with a poor release on a marginal arm...

From NFL.com:



Sac's completely objective summary:

Midget game manager with average arm and athleticism with durability concerns, but his teammates think he's a swell guy. NFL Comparison: Poor Man's Chase Daniel

Chief Planet's reeruned summary:

HOLY SHIT!!! We drafted a QB!!1!11! He's going to be the starter by mid-way through the season and we'll have our very own homegrown QBOTF!!! SUPER BOWL!!!!1!11!!wtfomgpwnzr!!!lololololo!!1! NFL Comparison: Joe Montana at his very best.

You guys are so ****ing hardup for any QB the Chiefs draft to be "the man" that you are willing to discount and dismiss what we already have on our roster just because we took one guy in the draft and the others we did not.

My Bray summary:

Reincarnation of Elvis Grbac. If you're willing to suffer through several years of boneheaded play, he might develop into a serviceable starter but he's unlikely to ever be a devoted student of the game and he just might decide to bail on you rather than re-sign just about the time your investment is starting to pay off.

I don't care about drafting a QB. I'm fine with getting a QB through any means whether it's 1st round pick, late round developmental flyer, UDFA, trade, high priced free agent, etc. Tyler Bray just hasn't shown any sign, going back to his college career, that he's the field general and leader that I want behind my center. If the Chiefs coaching staff can turn him around, that's great, but I'm not optimistic. So watch where you're pointing that "you guys".

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by patteeu

My Bray summary:

Reincarnation of Elvis Grbac. If you're willing to suffer through several years of boneheaded play, he might develop into a serviceable starter but he's unlikely to ever be a devoted student of the game and he just might decide to bail on you rather than re-sign just about the time your investment is starting to pay off.

I don't care about drafting a QB. I'm fine with getting a QB through any means whether it's 1st round pick, late round developmental flyer, UDFA, trade, high priced free agent, etc. Tyler Bray just hasn't shown any sign, going back to his college career, that he's the field general and leader that I want behind my center. If the Chiefs coaching staff can turn him around, that's great, but I'm not optimistic. So watch where you're pointing that "you guys".

You have no goddamn clue about Bray showing any sign of anything. Year one in a new system at the NFL level as the #3 QB. Your "optimism" or lack thereof is so premature you need to put it in an incubator on oxygen.

Oh noes!!!! Aaron Rogers didn't beat out Favre again this year?! Release him!!

[kcchiefsus]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

You have no goddamn clue about Bray showing any sign of anything. Year one in a new system at the NFL level as the #3 QB. Your "optimism" or lack thereof is so premature you need to put it in an incubator on oxygen.

Oh noes!!!! Aaron Rogers didn't beat out Favre again this year?! Release him!!

kill yourself

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

You have no goddamn clue about Bray showing any sign of anything. Year one in a new system at the NFL level as the #3 QB. Your "optimism" or lack thereof is so premature you need to put it in an incubator on oxygen.

Oh noes!!!! Aaron Rogers didn't beat out Favre again this year?! Release him!!

Bray demonstrated his boneheadedness for 3 years at Tennessee.

I get it though. You've fallen in love with his strong arm and you've got a thing for the way he vacantly stares into your eyes when you gaze upon his publicity photos.

[bowener]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

You have no goddamn clue about Bray showing any sign of anything. Year one in a new system at the NFL level as the #3 QB. Your "optimism" or lack thereof is so premature you need to put it in an incubator on oxygen.

Oh noes!!!! Aaron Rogers didn't beat out Favre again this year?! Release him!!

So you compare an UDFA to a 1st round pick that most experts felt had fallen much lower than expected? Not to mention that Rodgers was sitting behind a HOF QB, and all time great that was still playing better than most. Seems like a fair comparison.

[FringeNC]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Midget game manager with average arm and athleticism with durability concerns, but his teammates think he's a swell guy. NFL Comparison: Poor Man's Chase Daniel

Come on. Does Chase Daniel have anywhere near average NFL arm strength? If Murray does, calling him a poor man's Chase Daniel is ridiculous.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

It would be great if the Chiefs made a concerted effort to make Aaron Murray an attractive trade bait this pre-season. We've already got a short, noodle armed QB on the roster that doesn't have a crappy release, average athletics and questionable decision making.



Let's see...what would I rather have as a potential Chiefs QB:



6'6", 235 lbs. with great overhead release and an absolute cannon for an arm...



From NFL.com:







Sac's completely objective summary:



6'6" dude with a cannon and a great release. You can't coach up arm strength. You can coach up decision making and timing.



Chiefs Planet's reeruned summary:



He was an UDFA. He must suck. I can't wait until we spend a draft pick on a QB.



or



6', 207 lbs. with a poor release on a marginal arm...



From NFL.com:







Sac's completely objective summary:



Midget game manager with average arm and athleticism with durability concerns, but his teammates think he's a swell guy. NFL Comparison: Poor Man's Chase Daniel



Chief Planet's reeruned summary:



HOLY SHIT!!! We drafted a QB!!1!11! He's going to be the starter by mid-way through the season and we'll have our very own homegrown QBOTF!!! SUPER BOWL!!!!1!11!!wtfomgpwnzr!!!lololololo!!1! NFL Comparison: Joe Montana at his very best.



You guys are so ****ing hardup for any QB the Chiefs draft to be "the man" that you are willing to discount and dismiss what we already have on our roster just because we took one guy in the draft and the others we did not.

Holy shit!

Your best post ever here.

I'm going to rep you in your mouth when I get on my computer.

[BigBeauford]

I think people forget Daniel shit the bed nearly all of preseason. So which Daniel do we get? The bed-shitter against 2nd/3rd stringers, or the one who managed a game against first stringers. Bray looked fantastic in the GB game, and received heaps of praise during TC.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by BigBeauford

I think people forget Daniel shit the bed nearly all of preseason. So which Daniel do we get? The bed-shitter against 2nd/3rd stringers, or the one who managed a game against first stringers. Bray looked fantastic in the GB game, and received heaps of praise during TC.

He shit the bed?

Which game?

And it's funny you talk about Daniel playing 2nd/3rd stringers when Bray played against 4th stringers and guys that were about to be cut in the GB game.