Al Saunders - Page 2

blueballs · 05-06-2006, 05:46 PM

Al Saunders won a Super Bowl with the Rams. Then came to Kansas City with Vermeil along with some other of the Rams staff. He was named the OC and they brought in Rams QB Trent Green. He had one of the top offenses in the league for 4 years.

Now he is the OC in Washington with back up QB Todd Collins and practice squad phenom Richard Smith.

Can Saunders strike gold a third time? If so how long will it take? Have other coaches gone on to success with their third team?

Questions that need answers or opinions.

burt · 05-06-2006, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TRR

How can you possibly criticize Al Saunders???? The guy ran the #1 offense in the league for the last how many seasons? This O has put up some stats that equal the best offenses in NFL history. Yet he was too predictable? LOL, that is laughable.

Sorry, he helped build a great team.....but his play calling was no good....IMHO, and yes I am entitled to my opinion....so laugh if you must. I AM GLAD HE'S GONE!!!! And I have met him as well as talked to him! He's a very nice man.

blueballs · 05-06-2006, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by melbar

Actually Saunders was just the QB coach with the Rams , Marts was the OC.

where the **** did I say he was the OC in St. Louis? He was part of a Super Bowl offense that was brought to KC along with that Super Bowl winning Coach.

Now he is with the Redskins with only a old back up QB and a WR who couldn't make the team, tagging along.

TRR · 05-06-2006, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dale Mercer

Sorry, he helped build a great team.....but his play calling was no good....IMHO, and yes I am entitled to my opinion....so laugh if you must. I AM GLAD HE'S GONE!!!! And I have met him as well as talked to him! He's a very nice man.

I've met the man as well....

Yeah, you know, Al Saunders only ran the #1 offense in the league for the last several years. He got Priest Holmes to become possibly the greatest RB in KC history, created the blocking scheme and built possibly the best O Line in KC history, was a huge advocate for Trent Green, and made him a 4,000+ yard passer. All while his offense was averaging over 3,500 passing yards, and 2,000 rushing yards per season while he was the O Coordinator. But his play-calling was no good.

burt · 05-06-2006, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by TRR

I've met the man as well....

Yeah, you know, Al Saunders only ran the #1 offense in the league for the last several years. He got Priest Holmes to become possibly the greatest RB in KC history, created the blocking scheme and built possibly the best O Line in KC history, was a huge advocate for Trent Green, and made him a 4,000+ yard passer. All while his offense was averaging over 3,500 passing yards, and 2,000 rushing yards per season while he was the O Coordinator. But his play-calling was no good.

The "system" was good...no doubt. The play calling wasn't.

backatcha

TRR · 05-06-2006, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Dale Mercer

The "system" was good...no doubt. The play calling wasn't.

backatcha

And what do you have to back that comment up? You state it as a fact. I just threw several numbers at you to back up my statement. If an offense is THAT FREAKIN PRODUCTIVE over that long of a span, the play calling has to be good. Don't just state a comment on here, and not back it up.

jidar · 05-06-2006, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Dale Mercer

The "system" was good...no doubt. The play calling wasn't.

backatcha

You're wrong. That's the bottom line.
Don't give me that opinion crap either, opinions can be wrong, or stupid, or just plain completely ****ing backwards ass reeruned, like yours.

burt · 05-06-2006, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jidar

You're wrong. That's the bottom line.
Don't give me that opinion crap either, opinions can be wrong, or stupid, or just plain completely ****ing backwards ass reeruned, like yours.

gosh, it must be great to be that opinionated WITH YOUR REP DISABLED!!! If you disagree, cool...wann curse at me....for having an opinion that many agree with....**** off.....

jspchief · 05-06-2006, 08:58 PM

Al Saunders may have been the best OC in the NFL, but that doesn't mean he didn't have faults. And there were definately times when his play calling was bad, most often when he would get away from an effective running attack to inexplicably start throwing the ball. I think he sometimes tried to hard to outsmart the opponent when it wasn't neccessary.

That being said, I can't see how anyone would be glad to see him gone. It's clear he had an overall positive effect on the Chiefs.

burt · 05-06-2006, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

Al Saunders may have been the best OC in the NFL, but that doesn't mean he didn't have faults. And there were definately times when his play calling was bad, most often when he would get away from an effective running attack to inexplicably start throwing the ball. I think he sometimes tried to hard to outsmart the opponent when it wasn't neccessary.

That being said, I can't see how anyone would be glad to see him gone. It's clear he had an overall positive effect on the Chiefs.

Hey, I liked the man, but his play calling was no better that Jimmy Ray's. I believe he is a great football mind....built a great "system" that maed Grbac....ooops Trent look good, but his play calling was NOT good.

blueballs · 05-06-2006, 09:03 PM

I am wondering, if Vermeil helped build the greatest show on turf. Then went on to help build another program that become tops in the league for 4 years. How is Saunders going to do, going off with out much help from those two outstanding offenses?

jspchief · 05-06-2006, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dale Mercer

Hey, I liked the man, but his play calling was no better that Jimmy Ray's. I believe he is a great football mind....built a great "system" that maed Grbac....ooops Trent look good, but his play calling was NOT good.

I'd say for the most part his play calling was pretty good. He just had some bad stretches within games.

Although I think you could argue that a lot of this team's success was about execution rather than play calling. When you have an O-line that performs at the level KC's does, you call just about anything and have it work out well. It certainly makes the OC job easier.

DomerNKC · 05-06-2006, 09:04 PM

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burt · 05-06-2006, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

I'd say for the most part his play calling was pretty good. He just had some bad stretches within games.

Although I think you could argue that a lot of this team's success was about execution rather than play calling. When you have an O-line that performs at the level KC's does, you call just about anything and have it work out well. It certainly makes the OC job easier.

Wait a ****ing minute....don't AGREE with me..... You are taking all the fun out of this.

burt · 05-06-2006, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DomerNKC

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jspchief · 05-06-2006, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by blueballs

I am wondering, if Vermeil helped build the greatest show on turf. Then went on to help build another program that become tops in the league for 4 years. How is Saunders going to do, going off with out much help from those two outstanding offenses?

I think Saunders is going to excel in Washington, at least for the short term. He has a very solid veteran QB, a RB that will shred in the zone blocking scheme we used with Priest, and a stable of WRs that is 10x what KC had. They also have two solid tackles to bookend the O-line, and an H-back that is everything that Kris Wilson was supposed to be.

It's not like he's walking into an empty kitchen. The cupboard is stocked, he just has to start cooking.

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