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Sac's 2015 Chiefs Mock Draft - Two Weeks To Go!!

Signings:
Jeremy Maclin, WR
Da'rick Rogers, WR
Jason Avant, WR
Terrell Pryor, QB
Tyvon Branch, S
Derek Sherrod, OT
Jerell Worthy, DT
Hepron Fangupo, DT
Ben Grubbs, OG
Paul Fanaika, OG
Richard Gordon, TE
Kelcie McCray, S

Losses:
Rodney Hudson, C
Dwayne Bowe, WR
Donnie Avery, WR
AJ Jenkins, WR
Vance Walker, DT
Joe Mays, LB
Anthony Fasano, TE

Maclin is better for this system than Bowe. Grubbs is a very good guard and is a substantial upgrade over McGlynn/Linkenbach. Pryor, Rogers and Sherrod are superb pickups on the cheap that offer huge ceilings at positions that can be upgraded.

The main holes/question marks/depth issues on the team remain ROG, C, ILB, WR, DB, ROT. The team is facing contract issues at OLB, CB,

1. (18) La'el Collins, OL; LSU: 6’4”, 305 lb.

40: 5.12
10: 1.81
Bench: 21 reps
Vertical: 27”
Broad: 108”
3 Cone: 7.70 seconds
20 Shuttle: 4.63 seconds
Arm: 33.25"
Hand: 10.5"

Collins is the most pro-ready offensive lineman in this draft. He's capable of playing four positons on the line and giving a team solid performance from Day One. Good athleticism, with very good feet and kick step and slide. Plays extremely nasty and gets to the second level effectively. Plays with very good functional power. Was the best OL at the senior bowl and combine.

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In an expression of ultimate humility that is rare for a football player worthy of being a top-five pick, Fowler admitted he was completely overwhelmed by Collins in the '13 meeting.

"My sophomore year, we went to Baton Rouge and played against LSU, and I'm not going to lie, I got my butt whooped," Fowler told mmqb.si.com. "That was one of my worst games just because of how I got tossed around. So I spent the whole last summer getting ready for La'el, I ain't going to lie to you. I knew I was going to run into some pretty decent tackles, but the main motivation was from him getting after me my sophomore year."





2. (47) Eric Rowe, CB; Utah: 6’1” 205 lb.

40: 4.45 seconds
Bench: 19 reps
Vertical: 39”
Broad: 125”
3 Cone: 6.70 seconds
20 Shuttle: 3.97 seconds
60 Shuttle: 11.48 seconds

Rowe might go as early as the mid-first round, but if he's on the board in the second, it's nearly a no-brainer for the Chiefs. He's a perfect fit for Sutton's defense and has every measurable and intangible that Dorsey looks for in a draft prospect. There is no cornerback in this draft that is more ready to step into Sutton's defense and produce than Rowe.

Former Freshman All-American and three time conference selection at safety moved over to cornerback for the 2014 season to fill in for the departed Keith McGill. Rowe is a very athletic and instinctive player who had an excellent combine. Strictly a press man coverage CB at the next level, but that would work out extremely well for the Chiefs as that’s what they use. Strong and aggressive, but a smart player. Excellent run defender and well coached in Utah’s pro style defense. Would fit into Sutton’s base defense on the edge as well as his hybrid dime packages extremely well.

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"Just watched tape on Utah S/CB Eric Rowe," tweeted NFL Network's Charles Davis prior to the combine. "If I’m Press/Man team I want him."

Rowe finished in the top five among safeties in the broad jump (10 feet, 5 inches; tied for third), bench press (19 reps; tied for fourth) and the 60-yard shuttle (11.48 seconds; fifth).

Rowe is seen as an NFL prospect at both the safety and cornerback positions — he played free safety his first three years at Utah before switching to cornerback his senior season.





3. (80) Tre McBride, WR; William & Mary: 6’0”, 210 lb.

40: 4.41
Bench: 16 reps
Vertical: 38”
Broad: 122”
3 Cone: 6.96 seconds
20 Shuttle: 4.08 seconds
60 Shuttle: 11.70 seconds
Arms: 32.25"
Hands: 9"

IMO, the second best receiver in this draft for this team. Legitimate NFL size, speed and athleticism. Good route running and has excellent hands. Very good catch radius with the ability to go up and over defenders to get the ball. His high point ability is near equal to Devante Parker. Very smart with a good understanding of the game. (Was recruited by Harvard.) Big time skills shown at the Shrine Game week. An excellent fit for Reid’s offense.

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William & Mary WR Tre McBride really impressed me over the summer based on his junior tape and then he followed it up with a strong senior season and is continuing that momentum here in Indianapolis. He ran an unofficial 4.41 in the 40-yard dash and looked outstanding catching the ball with smooth routes and above average body control. McBride gathers himself so effortlessly in his route breaks, showing off natural hands and overall receiver traits. A Pierre Garcon-like player, McBride has the tape that could land him in the top-100 and his combine performance won't hurt that prediction.





3. (98) Henry Anderson, DT; Stanford: 6’6”, 294 lb.

40: 5.03 seconds
10: 1.63 seconds
Bench: 23 reps
Vertical: 30”
Broad: 111”
3 Cone: 7.20 seconds
20 Shuttle: 4.19 seconds
Arms: 33.5"
Hands: 9.75"

Anderson has served time at both the DE and DT positions in the Cardinals pro style 34 defense and would be an easy transition over to the multiple fronts that Sutton employs for the Chiefs. Big, tall and long, he's extremely explosive and quick for a player his size and actually translates that into on the field production as he racked up 65 tackles, 15 TFL and 8.5 sacks. Disruptive and makes a lot of impact plays. Honorable Mention All-American. Conference First Team All-Academic.

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"Despite his imposing build, Anderson is just as likely to be beat opponents with his quickness off the snap as he is power. Anderson varies his pass rush speeds and chops with hands to create space and slip into the backfield. He's more flexible than he looks and uses his long arms to lasso ball-carriers. Anderson shows good functional strength to lock-out and create a pile."






4. (118) John Miller, OL; Louisville: 6’2 1/2”, 303 lb.

40: Combine – 5.33; Pro Day – 5.08
10: 1.87
Bench: 29 reps
Vertical: 27”
3 Cone: 8.20
20 Shuttle: 4.75
Broad: 104”
Arms: 33.25"
Hands: 10.25"

Miller, IMO, is the best interior lineman in the 2014 Draft. Extremely powerful and nasty, when he locks onto a defender, it’s over. Was the best player on the field at the Shrine game - a man amongst boys. While the Chiefs have signed two guards in the free agent market in Ben Grubbs and Paul Fanaika, there is a huge question mark at the Center position as Rod Hudson has departed for richer pastures – and guess who Miller talks to and patterns his game after? Former Louisville Cardinal and current Bills center Eric Wood. Like Hudson, a former standout college OG, Miller is a prime canidate to move inside to the Center position at the next level. He’s got very good knee bend, comes out of his stance quickly and uses his hands like meat cleavers on defenders. He has excellent leverage and strength and comes up with a ton of power. Is good on quick pulls. I think he’d be absolutely balls at any of the three OL spots, but has all the traits of a very, very good center in this scheme.

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Miller is the first guard I’ve broken down but has quickly become one of my favorites of all the players I’ve watched. There aren’t many flaws to his game.

He does a fantastic job of maintaining his base. Lower and upper half are in synch. He doesn’t lunge, always keeping his legs under him. Creates the knee bend you’re looking for and a powerful base to generate power from.

In pass protection, it allows him to anchor and absorb bull rushes as well as you could hope for. Couple that with his arm extension, and Miller should be textbook tape of how to “catch” defenders.





5. (172) Zach Vigil, LB; Utah State: 6’2”, 236 lb.

40: 4.66
Bench: 26 reps
Vertical: 32"
Broad: 118"
3 Cone: 7.11
20 Shuttle: 4.41

Vigil, who was not invited to the Combine after posting numbers that usually get you a Bukus award winning type of season with 154 tackles, 9 sacks, etc., had a very good pro day where he showed good speed, strength and moved very well in the drills. This pro day was attended by 20 NFL teams, including the Kansas City Chiefs, to basically watch Vigil. He’s a complete linebacker who plays with speed and instinct and excellent fundamentals. I think he’s one of the best ILBs in the Draft and I wouldn’t be surprised to see him go a round or even two before this after showing the 4.6 speed.

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At linebacker you can have all the measurable in the world, but at the end of the day it means nothing if you don’t produce and Zach Vigil produced more last season than any other inside linebacker in the draft. His performance was consistent week in and week out with two negatively-graded games in 15 weeks.

When you think of a small school linebacker with big production getting little draft buzz it’s easy to assume that he’s a poor athlete, but that’s not the case with Vigil. His pro day numbers put him right around the inside linebacker average for almost all the events compared to historical combine figures. When you watch his tape, though, his coordination and instincts both jump out as above average.

The middle linebacker graded well above average rushing the passer, in coverage, and against the run. Vigil’s 76 total stops were the second most in the draft class and his 36 total pressures were the second most as well. He was also a very reliable tackler missing just 12 all year compared to 131 combined solos and assists.



5. (173) Ben Koyack, TE; Notre Dame: 6’5”, 255 lb.

40: 4.72
Bench: 16 reps
Vertical: 30"
Broad: 116"
3 Cone: 7.32
20 Shuttle: 4.52
60 Shuttle: 12.20
Arms: 32.5"
Hands: 10.75"

Originally had Ohio State's Jeff Heurerman here, but he's moved up on everyone's boards to the point that the fifth round doesn't seem to be a reality in a perceived weak TE draft for a guy with his athleticism and Urban Meyer's backing. As such, Notre Dame's Ben Koyack gets the nod. Big, physical player who is an excellent blocker with good, huge hands. Underutilized (seems to be a theme this year with the tight end position across the board), but is a talented player. Would work well opposite Kelce and be effective in red zone Jumbo sets that Reid throws out there from time to time. Pretty solid fifth rounder IMO.

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Possesses desired size and athleticism for the position. Can threaten the seam, though not asked to do so very often. Sinks hips and plays with twitch into and out of breaks. Large, strong hands. Hands-catcher with plus concentration in a crowd. Equally comfortable in–line or from the slot. Excels as run blocker with unique understanding of leverage and hand placement. Works to secure edge. Mirrors and stays engaged when walling off and hustles to get his man turned when responsible for play-side block. Has potential to be left on an island in pass protection. Competes hard.
Sounds exactly what this team needs at the position.




6. (193) Kyle Emanuel, OLB; North Dakota State: 6’3”, 255 lb.

40: 4.77 seconds
Bench: 27 reps
Vertical: 34”
Broad: 120”
3 Cone: 7.10 seconds
20 Shuttle: 4.25 seconds
60 Shuttle: 11.78 seconds

The reigning Buck Buchanan Award winner, Emanuel absolutely destroyed the FCS division with 70 tackles, 16.5 sacks, 27 tackles for loss, 3 forced fumbles and an interception. He’s not just a try hard, special teams guy – Emanuel has a number of effective pass rush moves, plays with power and speed and is well versed in fundamentals and possesses good instincts. A huge part of four FCS College Football Championships.

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Among the many defensive linemen to stand out this week, Kyle Emanuel put an impressive array of pass-rushing moves on display as he worked his way past offensive tackles throughout the week.
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College Football Performance Awards (CFPA) today announced several 2014 honors for four-time FCS national champion North Dakota State. Defensive lineman Kyle Emanuel was named the 2014 CFPA National Defensive Performer of the Year. The team, in addition, was honored for the top FCS performance in 2014.

Emanuel finished the 2014 season with 97 tackles in sixteen games. He had 32.5 tackles for loss, 19.5 sacks, three forced fumbles, and one interception.

Emanuel, who was previously honored as first-team All-American, first-team All-MVFC, and the Sports Network's Buck Buchanan Award winner, helped North Dakota State finish third in the FCS in scoring defense (14.1 points allowed per game) and sixth in passing yards allowed (155.0 passing yards per game).



6. (217) Antwan Goodley, WR; Baylor: 5’10”, 209 lb.

40: 4.44
Vertical: 35"
Broad: 127"
3 Cone: 7.19
20 Shuttle: 4.38

Thick, wide muscled frame that makes him look more like a running back than a wide receiver. Will absolutely explode downfield once the ball is in his hands. Has had a extremely productive career for the Bears and was QB Petty’s preferred target. Immensely strong, will just plow through defensive backs. Offers a lot of versatility for the position, capable of coming out of the backfield as well as being on the outside where he uses his athleticism to climb up for the ball.

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Goodley is explosive on and off the field. He has been clocked as fast as 4.39 seconds in the 40 and squats an amazing 660 pounds, second-most on the team. He also caught 71 passes for 1,339 yards (18.9 yards per reception) and 13 TDs last season, when he had five catches of at least 60 yards (most in the nation), eight of at least 40 yards (tied for sixth) and 14 of at least 30 yards (tied for third-most).



7. (233) Terrance Plummer, LB; Central Florida: 5'11 1/2", 240 lb.

40: 4.90
10: 1.64
Bench: 22 reps
Vertical: 33.5"
Broad: 112"
3 Cone: 7.16
20 Shuttle: 4.41

Plummer, over the course of his four years at UCF, has played inside and outside and has excelled. A tackling machine, he's averaged 105 tackles in each of his three starting seasons, including 99 tackles, 13 tfl and 4 sacks in 2014. Drops into coverage extremely well and has a knack for making the big play at the right time. Instinctive and fundamentally sound. Extremely hard worker and team leader. A very good football player. He's being seriously undervalued by the draftniks heading into the 2015 Draft. Reminds me a lot of London Fletcher.

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Plummer was highly-productive as a linebacker for the Knights, producing 334 total tackles (30.5 for loss), 6.5 sacks, two forced fumbles and four interceptions in his four seasons at UCF. He was also voted as a member of the All-American Athletic Conference's first team twice and was named the Tostitos Fiesta Bowl Defensive MVP in 2013.
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Terrance Plummer, who is an overachieving middle linebacker, very productive, always around the ball, never on the ground. Interesting guy as a late round pick. I think Plummer all over the field in a number of games this year. The Missouri game was a game you look back at he looked like he could be a third or fourth round pick. But I think in the late rounds, Plummer would make a lot of sense.


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Old 01-25-2015, 06:30 PM   #151
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This might be the first year Ive been ok with Sacs mocks. If we are stuck with Alex might as well load up on Oline, TE, and backs. Not sure Id go with a WR though as high as the 3rd given our lack of utilizing them.
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I want to see how Dres Anderson's recovery is going. If he can't participate in the combine or pro day, I wouldn't draft him until rd 4.

I'd rather draft Lockett in rd 3 in that scenario.
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Old 01-25-2015, 10:46 PM   #153
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This might be the first year Ive been ok with Sacs mocks. If we are stuck with Alex might as well load up on Oline, TE, and backs. Not sure Id go with a WR though as high as the 3rd given our lack of utilizing them.
I think that the lack of utilization is more due to our WR's basically sucking versus scheme or quarterback.

Consider that McCluster and Avery were, outside of Bowe, our two most consistent threats from the WR position and neither were there this past season (in entirety). Avery was targeted 26 times in the six games he played before injury.

Bowe doesn't run good routes. Never has, never will.

Hemingway, while an outstanding special teamer, can't get separation off the line and on his breaks.

Thomas is more running back than receiver.

Wilson is a small school track guy. Raw like sushi.

Only Kelce, Fasano and Bowe from the receiving group had catch percentages over 60%.

That sucks. Big, long, hard ones.

This system needs guys who break hard, at the right spot and are capable of extending the play with YAC. They also have to catch the ****ing ball. Right now, we don't have a receiver that can do that with regularity.

It's not Smith. It's not the system. It's the receivers.

Blame Dorsey. I do. The guy didn't draft anybody last year at the position when it was a remarkably good draft class and it really held the team and Smith back.
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Old 01-25-2015, 11:02 PM   #154
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I want to see how Dres Anderson's recovery is going. If he can't participate in the combine or pro day, I wouldn't draft him until rd 4.

I'd rather draft Lockett in rd 3 in that scenario.
Agree.

I think Lockett has done enough to merit later second round consideration as well. He had a really nice week at the Senior Bowl and I think he moved himself up as a result.

I'd have a hard time deciding between Anderson and Lockett - if Anderson's leg injury is completely healed. Although, supposedly, the injury wasn't as bad as initially thought; however, the Utes have been tight lipped about the exact nature of the injury.

Anderson put up some gaudy numbers and big plays despite some pretty shitty QB throws to him.

He's accepted an invite to the Combine.

I'm more inclined to a 6'1", 190 lb. guy who's fast than a 5'10", 175 lb. guy who's fast at this point with De'Anthony Thomas on the team.
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I know you don't do trade-downs in your mocks, but if you think there's nobody at 18 that fits Dorsey's player profile, why wouldn't we move down? There are a bound to be a crap ton of players that drop to us that we may not need that other teams want.
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I'd be interested to know what kind of FA the Chiefs had in this scenario at the WR position to completely ignore it again until the 5th round.
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I know you don't do trade-downs in your mocks, but if you think there's nobody at 18 that fits Dorsey's player profile, why wouldn't we move down? There are a bound to be a crap ton of players that drop to us that we may not need that other teams want.
I think that that possibility exists this year. I think that we are going to be stuck reaching at #18 due to the fact that the guys that fit this team are going to be off the board and they'll pull a "top guy left on the Decision Lens chit sheet" deal like they did last year.

The purported first round talent linemen other than La'el Collins suck. Scherff is a guard. Period. Ereck Flowers' kick step is ****ing atrocious. It makes Branden Albert's look respectable by comparison. He's going to get beat like a drum if he's put on the edge in the NFL. TJ Clemmings is just flat out awful. Sambrailo sucks. Peat has the only potential but I don't think he's even as close to as good as the Solder/Costanzo tall guy comparison.

They may have to take Fisher in the first in all honesty. Personally, I'd put him at #2 behind Collins right now.

Right now, I hate the bottom half of the first round in terms of how drafturbators have it laid out. Nobody fits the Chiefs and nobody is a standout over what you would find in the second round and on. This draft's strength is in the mid-rounds at positions the Chiefs need, so I'd be happy as hell to see them trade completely out of the first and pick up additional picks in the 2/3/4/5 area unless a guy like La'el Collins is still on the board. He's about all I'd really want out of the first round at the #18 spot to be honest.

Though, if they have to pick, Armstead's ceiling is such that he'd be an okay pick (despite the rumors that have Catapano returning to superhuman status).
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Old 03-01-2015, 01:37 AM   #163
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I'd be interested to know what kind of FA the Chiefs had in this scenario at the WR position to completely ignore it again until the 5th round.
Personally, I think that a draft of McBride, Heuerman and Mayle upgrade the Chiefs substantially over their current situation. I don't think that round priority is that imperative in this specific draft. It's quite deep, but I don't think that from the top to the bottom there is a huge talent differential.

A guy like McBride might not have played at the SEC, but he was every bit as good (substantially better actually) than any receiver at the Shrine game and looked just as good as any of the top guys (again, looked better in many of the drills than the top guys) at the Combine.

You may want to pick a guy earlier, but I'm not so sure that they will be better, at least at the WR position in this draft.

Same goes for the ILB position, where a guy like Vigil is as good at the position as anyone in this draft, but most guys currently have him at Round 5 and on.

It's a pretty even level draft IMO.
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Personally, I think that a draft of McBride, Heuerman and Mayle upgrade the Chiefs substantially over their current situation. I don't think that round priority is that imperative in this specific draft. It's quite deep, but I don't think that from the top to the bottom there is a huge talent differential.

A guy like McBride might not have played at the SEC, but he was every bit as good (substantially better actually) than any receiver at the Shrine game and looked just as good as any of the top guys (again, looked better in many of the drills than the top guys) at the Combine.

You may want to pick a guy earlier, but I'm not so sure that they will be better, at least at the WR position in this draft.

Same goes for the ILB position, where a guy like Vigil is as good at the position as anyone in this draft, but most guys currently have him at Round 5 and on.

It's a pretty even level draft IMO.
I'd rather pick a WR early over picking a DL because "well, there's no one else..."

Making Eric Fisher a WR would significantly make what the Chiefs have at WR better... they just cut 2/3rds of their ****ing starters. All they have is Bowe.

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I'd rather pick a WR early over picking a DL because "well, there's no one else..."

Making Eric Fisher a WR would significantly make what the Chiefs have at WR better... they just cut 2/3rds of their ****ing starters. All they have is Bowe.
And I would bring in Denarius Moore, Vincent Brown and Kenny Britt as free agents regardless of who we draft.
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