Chiefs 2013 QB Class - Page 15

O.city · 12-11-2012, 10:06 AM

This was posted in another thread by Milkman, but it got overlooked so I'm making a thread out of it.

I know, another QB thread. But this needs to be put out there for some of the "posters" here to see and think about.

The top three in this years class are in no particular order:

Geno Smith
Tyler Wilson
Matt Barkley

Thats not counting Bray, Glennon, Nassib, etc. Who are all talented in their own right.

So, many posters here want to say, "no not this year, this class is awful don't take one, there isn't a Luck or RGIII in the bunch", which isn't necessarily false.

No there isn't a once in a decade guy. Which is probably what Luck was. Hell even more there have been 2 guys of his stature come out in the last 20 or so years. Luck and Manning.

Yet there are franchise QB's all over the league. How is that so you may ask?

Lets take a look at the last 5 QB classes top 3 guys to come out and get drafted, taking out 2012's class.

2007
Jamarcus Russel
Brady Quinn
Kevin Kolb

2008
Matt Ryan
Joe Flacco
Brian Brohm

2009
Matt Stafford
Mark Sanchez
Josh Freeman

2010
Sam Bradford
Tim Tebow
Jimmy Clausen

2011
Cam Newton
Blaine Gabbert
Jake Locker

Look at those classes and no, you have to evaluate them at the time they were picked, not what they are now, we don't know what this years class will be in the NFL.

I'd argue that this years class is more loaded than any of those classes at the top and from top to bottom.

So, you wanna argue that this isn't a year to take a QB? I'll argue that its a great year to take a QB.

**the Talking Can** · 12-11-2012, 09:28 PM

there's a canyon between smith and murray

i mean, if you exclude their actual performance, they appear similar i guess...

O.city · 12-11-2012, 09:31 PM

Pretty sure I read that Murray is going back.

kcbubb · 12-11-2012, 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe

There aren't any CBs worth a top 3 pick in this draft.

Dee Milliner could be pretty close.

kcbubb · 12-11-2012, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Oh, good. You actually don't know what the **** you're talking about and are just making shit up. Excellent. I can just ignore everything you have to say now.

Murray is 6'1" 210
Wilson is 6'2" 220

O.city · 12-11-2012, 09:39 PM

No CB is worth a top 3 pick.

Nightfyre · 12-11-2012, 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city

No CB is worth a top 3 pick.

I agree.

htismaqe · 12-11-2012, 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcbubb

Murray is 6'1" 210
Wilson is 6'2" 220

Murray won't measure 6'1" at the combine.

**DeezNutz** · 12-11-2012, 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcbubb

Say you plan on taking a guy like Bray in the 2nd.

And here's the problem. You cannot "plan" on taking any QB in the second round; you "hope" to have the opportunity to select any player in the second.

A team can only plan for what it's positive it can accomplish, and the Chiefs cannot afford to hope to infuse talent at the QB position this off-season.

Therefore, my plan is to select one of the three most talented QBs in this draft, and I guarantee I can accomplish this.

O.city · 12-11-2012, 09:41 PM

With a top three pick in the draft, you absolutely must take a game changer at a high impact position.

Like I said earlier, LT, Pass rusher, or QB. Maybe a WR if you already have the other 3 and the guy is just super dynamic.

**the Talking Can** · 12-11-2012, 09:43 PM

so the plan is to take a less talented, riskier prospect at QB (the most important position) so that we can draft a LB with the #1 pick?

is this what people are seriously discussing?

kcbubb · 12-11-2012, 09:44 PM

If you are making the call, who would try to keep & sign to a long term deal?

Bowe (keep in mind if you franchise him again that his price goes way up)
or Albert?

O.city · 12-11-2012, 09:44 PM

Actually I think it's a CB they want now. Or a TED MLB.

I'm not sure.

**RealSNR** · 12-11-2012, 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcbubb

If you are making the call, who would try to keep & sign to a long term deal?

Bowe (keep in mind if you franchise him again that his price goes way up)
or Albert?

Both.

We have the money.

O.city · 12-11-2012, 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcbubb

If you are making the call, who would try to keep & sign to a long term deal?

Bowe (keep in mind if you franchise him again that his price goes way up)
or Albert?

Lets see...........

Both.

There is no reason not too.

kcbubb · 12-11-2012, 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

And here's the problem. You cannot "plan" on taking any QB in the second round; you "hope" to have the opportunity to select any player in the second.

A team can only plan for what it's positive it can accomplish, and the Chiefs cannot afford to hope to infuse talent at the QB position this off-season.

Therefore, my plan is to select one of the three most talented QBs in this draft, and I guarantee I can accomplish this.

How many teams will take a QB in round 1 if the chiefs don't?

12-11-2012, 10:06 AM
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2534064	2013 QB Class This was posted in another thread by Milkman, but it got overlooked so I'm making a thread out of it. I know, another QB thread. But this needs to be put out there for some of the "posters" here to see and think about. The top three in this years class are in no particular order: Geno Smith Tyler Wilson Matt Barkley Thats not counting Bray, Glennon, Nassib, etc. Who are all talented in their own right. So, many posters here want to say, "no not this year, this class is awful don't take one, there isn't a Luck or RGIII in the bunch", which isn't necessarily false. No there isn't a once in a decade guy. Which is probably what Luck was. Hell even more there have been 2 guys of his stature come out in the last 20 or so years. Luck and Manning. Yet there are franchise QB's all over the league. How is that so you may ask? Lets take a look at the last 5 QB classes top 3 guys to come out and get drafted, taking out 2012's class. 2007 Jamarcus Russel Brady Quinn Kevin Kolb 2008 Matt Ryan Joe Flacco Brian Brohm 2009 Matt Stafford Mark Sanchez Josh Freeman 2010 Sam Bradford Tim Tebow Jimmy Clausen 2011 Cam Newton Blaine Gabbert Jake Locker Look at those classes and no, you have to evaluate them at the time they were picked, not what they are now, we don't know what this years class will be in the NFL. I'd argue that this years class is more loaded than any of those classes at the top and from top to bottom. So, you wanna argue that this isn't a year to take a QB? I'll argue that its a great year to take a QB.
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12-11-2012, 09:28 PM	#211
the Talking Can Supporter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: street Casino cash: $10022208	there's a canyon between smith and murray i mean, if you exclude their actual performance, they appear similar i guess... __________________ Clark Hunt: "Thank god for the Dominican pool boy"
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12-11-2012, 09:31 PM	#212
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2534064	Pretty sure I read that Murray is going back.
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12-11-2012, 09:39 PM	#215
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2534064	No CB is worth a top 3 pick.
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12-11-2012, 09:41 PM	#219
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2534064	With a top three pick in the draft, you absolutely must take a game changer at a high impact position. Like I said earlier, LT, Pass rusher, or QB. Maybe a WR if you already have the other 3 and the guy is just super dynamic.
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12-11-2012, 09:43 PM	#220
the Talking Can Supporter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: street Casino cash: $10022208	so the plan is to take a less talented, riskier prospect at QB (the most important position) so that we can draft a LB with the #1 pick? is this what people are seriously discussing? __________________ Clark Hunt: "Thank god for the Dominican pool boy"
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12-11-2012, 09:44 PM	#221
kcbubb Veteran Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $6066719	If you are making the call, who would try to keep & sign to a long term deal? Bowe (keep in mind if you franchise him again that his price goes way up) or Albert?
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12-11-2012, 09:44 PM	#222
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2534064	Actually I think it's a CB they want now. Or a TED MLB. I'm not sure.
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