Chiefs or Raiders?

WHScenter · 12-27-2004, 10:22 PM

Sure this is a Chiefs website, but who do you think is a better overall team and why? Remenber Chiefs are winning 3 games ahead between the Raiders and chiefs.

Dont just say the defense is better or offense is better, if you have time go into detail.

-by the way im a Raiders fan.

**Dartgod** · 12-27-2004, 10:24 PM

Sweep...

TEX · 12-27-2004, 10:27 PM

Um...back - to - back season sweeps would suggest beyond any doubt that the CHIEFS are better. I'd imagine that even Raida Fan would be hard pressed to disagree...

ChiefsFire · 12-27-2004, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by WHScenter

Sure this is a Chiefs website, but who do you think is a better overall team and why? Remenber Chiefs are winning 3 games ahead between the Raiders and chiefs.

Dont just say the defense is better or offense is better, if you have time go into detail.

-by the way im a Raiders fan.

thanks fer stoppin by

hope u enjoyed ur stay

Spott · 12-27-2004, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by WHScenter

-by the way im a Raiders fan.

I guess that explains the poor grammar.

**alanm** · 12-27-2004, 10:34 PM

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Dont just say the defense is better or offense is better, if you have time go into detail.

Hunt > Davis.

2bikemike · 12-27-2004, 10:36 PM

Besides the Sweep Sweep, I would just add that our Offense and special teams beats the Faids. Both defenses suck.

**Dartgod** · 12-27-2004, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by 2bikemike

Besides the Sweep Sweep, I would just add that our Offense and special teams beats the Faids. Both defenses suck.

Don't just say that, man. Go into detail!! Talk about the offense and defense of lines. If you have time, that is...

TheNextStep · 12-27-2004, 10:38 PM

The Chiefs are the better team. They won both games this year and are two games better in the standings. That's the end of the argument. That said...

On Offense

- Kansas City has - and has had for 4 or 5 years now - arguably the best offensive line in the league. While the Raiders do have developing talent, it remains that Kansas City's talent is already developed and guys like Roaf, Waters, and Shields have established themselves as some of the best in the game (or, in Shields' case, among the best of all time). The expression "it all starts up front" didn't become cliche for no reason.

- Running game. This ties in directly with the offensive line... but the fact is that whether it is Priest, Blaylock, or Johnson, the Chiefs have been getting it done on the ground. Oakland, meanwhile, is the worst rushing team in the NFL.

- Tight End. While Raider fans get excited when Courtney Anderson or Teyo Johnson show "flashes" the fact remains that the Chiefs have the best TE in the NFL. Put it this way: On Saturday, Teyo Johnson had 3 receptions for 52 yards and Raider fans thought it was great. If Gonzalez had put up those exact same numbers, Chiefs fans would have been disappointed. That's how big the freakin' gap is.

- Established system. Although it'll piss some Chief fans off to hear it, I look at Trent Green the same way I looked at Rich Gannon: Right quarterback for the system. Neither are great talents... but both are talented enough, smart enough, and experienced enough to use what they have to great effect. Green and his receivers (who are nothing to write home about) know where they need to be, when they need to be there, and have a great rapport going with each other. On the other side, it seems like every single week Kerry Collins is saying, "Well, I'm feeling more comfortable now..." which means, basically, that he's learning on the fly. That's to be expected, of course, as he's in his first year in this system... but the fact remains that Green's mastery of KC's system gives them an advantage.

On Defense

I'm not going to get in depth here. I'm just going to call it a push, since both units really suck.

Naturally, this can all change over the course of the off-season, depending on draft picks, free agent signings, player development, and who the hell knows what else... but that's how I see it for the time being.

2bikemike · 12-27-2004, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Dartgod

Don't just say that, man. Go into detail!! Talk about the offense and defense of lines. If you have time, that is...

That would take too much time!

Kclee · 12-28-2004, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by WHScenter

-by the way im a Raiders fan.

Here's another gem of his.

Really, I was having a hard time figuring that out. Have fun getting a human booster shot from a guy named Molly when you get sent to prison Raider fan.

Kylo Ren · 12-28-2004, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Dartgod

Don't just say that, man. Go into detail!! Talk about the offense and defense of lines. If you have time, that is...

**Rain Man** · 12-28-2004, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by TheNextStep

On Defense

I'm not going to get in depth here. I'm just going to call it a push, since both units really suck.

Yeah, this is one of those times when both Chief and Rai der fans can just avoid eye contact, cough, and change the subject.

SoCalRaider · 12-28-2004, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by TEX

Um...back - to - back season sweeps would suggest beyond any doubt that the CHIEFS are better. I'd imagine that even Raida Fan would be hard pressed to disagree... :hmmm:

I disagree, since neither team did jack this year and the Raiders are drafting higher --> Advantage Raiders.

SoCalRaider · 12-28-2004, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by alanm

Hunt > Davis.

RAiders 3 Lombardi's > Chiefs 1

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12-27-2004, 10:38 PM	#9
TheNextStep Veteran Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Omaha Casino cash: $10004900	The Chiefs are the better team. They won both games this year and are two games better in the standings. That's the end of the argument. That said... On Offense - Kansas City has - and has had for 4 or 5 years now - arguably the best offensive line in the league. While the Raiders do have developing talent, it remains that Kansas City's talent is already developed and guys like Roaf, Waters, and Shields have established themselves as some of the best in the game (or, in Shields' case, among the best of all time). The expression "it all starts up front" didn't become cliche for no reason. - Running game. This ties in directly with the offensive line... but the fact is that whether it is Priest, Blaylock, or Johnson, the Chiefs have been getting it done on the ground. Oakland, meanwhile, is the worst rushing team in the NFL. - Tight End. While Raider fans get excited when Courtney Anderson or Teyo Johnson show "flashes" the fact remains that the Chiefs have the best TE in the NFL. Put it this way: On Saturday, Teyo Johnson had 3 receptions for 52 yards and Raider fans thought it was great. If Gonzalez had put up those exact same numbers, Chiefs fans would have been disappointed. That's how big the freakin' gap is. - Established system. Although it'll piss some Chief fans off to hear it, I look at Trent Green the same way I looked at Rich Gannon: Right quarterback for the system. Neither are great talents... but both are talented enough, smart enough, and experienced enough to use what they have to great effect. Green and his receivers (who are nothing to write home about) know where they need to be, when they need to be there, and have a great rapport going with each other. On the other side, it seems like every single week Kerry Collins is saying, "Well, I'm feeling more comfortable now..." which means, basically, that he's learning on the fly. That's to be expected, of course, as he's in his first year in this system... but the fact remains that Green's mastery of KC's system gives them an advantage. On Defense I'm not going to get in depth here. I'm just going to call it a push, since both units really suck. Naturally, this can all change over the course of the off-season, depending on draft picks, free agent signings, player development, and who the hell knows what else... but that's how I see it for the time being.
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