Did we see the changing of the guard? - Page 2

Dr. Johnny Fever · 09-12-2005, 08:20 AM

I am as big a fan of Priest Holmes as anyone can be. He has been the man over and over again. He has my undying love and appreciation forever. He may well be my favorite Chief of all time.

But was I the only one with a jaw on the floor and an almost insane yearning to see LJ carry the ball more and Priest less as the game went on? Damn... that dude can flat ****ing play. Unbelievable. He made me think MVP candidate. He made me have memory flashes of the greatest RB's to ever play. No, I'm not saying he is one of the greatest ever... yet. But what could he do if he was the full time back???

I don't want to see Priest replaced. But maybe replaced as the starter? I know they are gonna share the workload... but I'm thinking it might be better for Larry to get 2/3rds of the carries instead of Priest...?

**Rain Man** · 09-12-2005, 08:43 AM

At long last, I understand how those guys feel in those chick flicks where they love their wives but they also fall in love with another woman.

NewChief · 09-12-2005, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

we've got them trying to out-do each other....it's a perfect situation

Agreed. I think LJ is motivated by the fact that he's not starting. Eventually it may begin to make him sullen and start working against us, but right now it's making him hungry.

trndobrd · 09-12-2005, 08:45 AM

I think we will start to see more situational use of both backs based on the defense we are facing on a particular week. LJ will progressively get more carries, perhaps even getting over 50% in some games. Priest will play the first offensive down of every game.

Prediction time: in two games this season Priest will once again take the team on his back and through sheer force of will get a victory. Also, in two games this season LJ will break a game open and take the team on his back.

With both in the backfield it's like having both a Jedi Knight and a Sith Lord carrying the ball (gratuitous SW reference for gochiefs)

**mlyonsd** · 09-12-2005, 08:46 AM

Just my .02 but I noticed most of Priest's running plays were pitches where he ran laterally and tried to pick his own hole.

I thought LJ's touches were more up the gut where he got the ball going forward to a pre-defined hole.

Is it just me or did anyone else notice this?

Dr. Johnny Fever · 09-12-2005, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by mlyonsd

Just my .02 but I noticed most of Priest's running plays were pitches where he ran laterally and tried to pick his own hole.

I thought LJ's touches were more up the gut where he got the ball going forward to a pre-defined hole.

Is it just me or did anyone else notice this?

That's the style of each one of them. It's pretty much the norm I think. Larry is a bruiser, Priest is a bouncer.

...and you said "pick his own hole..."

heh, heh...

**Skip Towne** · 09-12-2005, 08:55 AM

Keep the rotation like it is. We score too damn quick with LJ in there. It doesn't give the D time to rest.

Raiderhater · 09-12-2005, 08:55 AM

I have always had a hard time criticizing DV for his extreme loyalty to people, because I tend to be the same way. That is about to become apparent in this post.

Short of Priest getting hurt, there is no way I give LJ the start this season. As the season goes on I may increase his carries some, but only to a max of a 50/50 split. And not even that so long as he continues to keep his current attitude of, "this is working and it is good." Priest has been our go to guy, the real reason our O has been so deadly. With our best receiver being a TE those first years, only the magnificent play of Holmes could have made us the threat we were. In '03 he scored more points than anybody else in the leauge, including kickers. It was his heart that brought us back and gave us hope in the Minnesota game that year (even though it turned out that even his heart was not big enough to cover for our D). In a year when we hope to make a serious run at the SB, I think we owe to Holmes to let him keep the starting job. After all, we are where we are in large part because of him. Then next year we switch up, let LJ start and let Priest become the change of pace back.

Just my sentimental opinion of course.

Dr. Johnny Fever · 09-12-2005, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by raiderhader

I have always had a hard time criticizing DV for his extreme loyalty to people, because I tend to be the same way. That is about to become apparent in this post.

Short of Priest getting hurt, there is no way I give LJ the start this season. As the season goes on I may increase his carries some, but only to a max of a 50/50 split. And not even that so long as he continues to keep his current attitude of, "this is working and it is good." Priest has been our go to guy, the real reason our O has been so deadly. With our best receiver being a TE those first years, only the magnificent play of Holmes could have made us the threat we were. In '03 he scored more points than anybody else in the leauge, including kickers. It was his heart that brought us back and gave us hope in the Minnesota game that year (even though it turned out that even his heart was not big enough to cover for our D). In a year when we hope to make a serious run at the SB, I think we owe to Holmes to let him keep the starting job. After all, we are where we are in large part because of him. Then next year we switch up, let LJ start and let Priest become the change of pace back.

Just my sentimental opinion of course.

Well said... and I agree UNLESS we aren't playing our best players enough and therefor doing everything we can to win each game. I'm a sentimental fool at times... but I'd hate to lose because we weren't playing our best players in favor of playing favorites... or something like that.

Raiderhater · 09-12-2005, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by beer me

Well said... and I agree UNLESS we aren't playing our best players enough and therefor doing everything we can to win each game. I'm a sentimental fool at times... but I'd hate to lose because we weren't playing our best players in favor of playing favorites... or something like that.

Well clearly, if Priest starts sucking ass and costing us games, yeah a change will need to be made this season.

But I am not too concerned about that prospect.

stevieray · 09-12-2005, 09:06 AM

two backs, almost two hundred yards.

Good job, Al.

Chiefnj · 09-12-2005, 09:06 AM

If Roaf is out then the Chiefs won't be able to go outside as well. In that case it might be better to switch roles and give LJ the 2:1 ratio.

Gaz · 09-12-2005, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj

If Roaf is out then the Chiefs won't be able to go outside as well. In that case it might be better to switch roles and give LJ the 2:1 ratio.

Good point.

Johnson did his damage mostly in 2TE sets, if I recall correctly.

xoxo~
Gaz
Not sure the big old sweep works without big old Roaf.

NewChief · 09-12-2005, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj

If Roaf is out then the Chiefs won't be able to go outside as well. In that case it might be better to switch roles and give LJ the 2:1 ratio.

Same could be said for TRich being out as well. I think Priest is more effective with TRich as his lead blocker. LJ is more capable of hitting the hole solo.

MOhillbilly · 09-12-2005, 09:19 AM

IMO LJ is the type of ball carrier that wins championships,young and punishes defenders.
Id like to see LJ get the majority of the carries the rest of the season,make him feel like a valued part of the team and have him ink a longterm deal,and cut or trade PH after 05.

MOhillbilly · 09-12-2005, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by NewChief

LJ is more capable of hitting the hole solo.

couldnt agree more.

09-12-2005, 08:20 AM
Dr. Johnny Fever stax of wax Join Date: Feb 2004 Casino cash: $10004900	Did we see the changing of the guard? I am as big a fan of Priest Holmes as anyone can be. He has been the man over and over again. He has my undying love and appreciation forever. He may well be my favorite Chief of all time. But was I the only one with a jaw on the floor and an almost insane yearning to see LJ carry the ball more and Priest less as the game went on? Damn... that dude can flat ****ing play. Unbelievable. He made me think MVP candidate. He made me have memory flashes of the greatest RB's to ever play. No, I'm not saying he is one of the greatest ever... yet. But what could he do if he was the full time back??? I don't want to see Priest replaced. But maybe replaced as the starter? I know they are gonna share the workload... but I'm thinking it might be better for Larry to get 2/3rds of the carries instead of Priest...?
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trndobrd 'Stachecicle Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Tolerance Box Casino cash: $4875087	I think we will start to see more situational use of both backs based on the defense we are facing on a particular week. LJ will progressively get more carries, perhaps even getting over 50% in some games. Priest will play the first offensive down of every game. Prediction time: in two games this season Priest will once again take the team on his back and through sheer force of will get a victory. Also, in two games this season LJ will break a game open and take the team on his back. With both in the backfield it's like having both a Jedi Knight and a Sith Lord carrying the ball (gratuitous SW reference for gochiefs) __________________ "I don't really think there is a need to raise or debate this point." -jAZ
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09-12-2005, 08:46 AM	#19
mlyonsd Supporter Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Spink, SD Casino cash: $1563762	Just my .02 but I noticed most of Priest's running plays were pitches where he ran laterally and tried to pick his own hole. I thought LJ's touches were more up the gut where he got the ball going forward to a pre-defined hole. Is it just me or did anyone else notice this?
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09-12-2005, 08:55 AM	#21
Skip Towne Supporter Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: T-Town Casino cash: $10004900	Keep the rotation like it is. We score too damn quick with LJ in there. It doesn't give the D time to rest.
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Raiderhater **** the Raiders Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: A Webb of chaos Casino cash: $2052021	I have always had a hard time criticizing DV for his extreme loyalty to people, because I tend to be the same way. That is about to become apparent in this post. Short of Priest getting hurt, there is no way I give LJ the start this season. As the season goes on I may increase his carries some, but only to a max of a 50/50 split. And not even that so long as he continues to keep his current attitude of, "this is working and it is good." Priest has been our go to guy, the real reason our O has been so deadly. With our best receiver being a TE those first years, only the magnificent play of Holmes could have made us the threat we were. In '03 he scored more points than anybody else in the leauge, including kickers. It was his heart that brought us back and gave us hope in the Minnesota game that year (even though it turned out that even his heart was not big enough to cover for our D). In a year when we hope to make a serious run at the SB, I think we owe to Holmes to let him keep the starting job. After all, we are where we are in large part because of him. Then next year we switch up, let LJ start and let Priest become the change of pace back. Just my sentimental opinion of course. __________________ "Serious sport has nothing to do with fair play. It is bound up with hatred, jealousy, boastfulness, and disregard of all the rules." -- George Orwell, Shooting an Elephant
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09-12-2005, 09:19 AM	#29
MOhillbilly Mama Tried Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Missouri Casino cash: $9949903	IMO LJ is the type of ball carrier that wins championships,young and punishes defenders. Id like to see LJ get the majority of the carries the rest of the season,make him feel like a valued part of the team and have him ink a longterm deal,and cut or trade PH after 05. __________________ True Son of Liberty
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