Albert may not be done here !

[Eleazar]

The thing is, if Fisher works out they look like geniouses (CP spelling). If they re-sign Albert and Fisher stinks and it's Albert and Stephenson from there on, then we're still screwing ourselves with two big LT contracts and only one serviceable LT.

They already made the gambit when they drafted Fisher. It was a gamble. Go through with it. Don't start backtracking now and panic-pay an aging, average tackle a huge contract. You make the upside play.

[Anyong Bluth]

Originally Posted by Cochise

The thing is, if Fisher works out they look like geniouses (CP spelling). If they re-sign Albert and Fisher stinks and it's Albert and Stephenson from there on, then we're still screwing ourselves with two big LT contracts and only one serviceable LT.

They already made the gambit when they drafted Fisher. It was a gamble. Go through with it. Don't start backtracking now and panic-pay an aging, average tackle a huge contract. You make the upside play.

Everything checks out except average tackle. He was most definitely an elite tackle in pass protection last year, and this is a passing league now. Yes, subpar in rush, maybe, but he graded out extremely solid in the pivotal area.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Anyong Bluth

Everything checks out except average tackle. He was most definitely an elite tackle in pass protection last year, and this is a passing league now. Yes, subpar in rush, maybe, but he graded out extremely solid in the pivotal area.

Exactly.

Tons of speculation is getting tossed around about what Albert's camp REALLY wants in terms of dollar figures. We have no clue if he wants a contract that will "break the bank." That might be what the agent wants, but we don't know.

Meanwhile, it's pretty convenient to call Albert an average schlub when getting rid of him will potentially justify a shitty and stupid decision you made with the 1.1 pick last year.

Albert's a good player. He's a good tackle. He's not average. He's solidly good. He's a veteran presence on the line, and he was by far our best offensive lineman on the team last year.

Yes, the contract is the key, but this team does NOT get better by ditching him. At least not in the short term. If he can be kept, then he absolutely should.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by SNR

Exactly.

Tons of speculation is getting tossed around about what Albert's camp REALLY wants in terms of dollar figures. We have no clue if he wants a contract that will "break the bank." That might be what the agent wants, but we don't know.

Meanwhile, it's pretty convenient to call Albert an average schlub when getting rid of him will potentially justify a shitty and stupid decision you made with the 1.1 pick last year.

Albert's a good player. He's a good tackle. He's not average. He's solidly good. He's a veteran presence on the line, and he was by far our best offensive lineman on the team last year.

Yes, the contract is the key, but this team does NOT get better by ditching him. At least not in the short term. If he can be kept, then he absolutely should.

I agree.

But, similarly to our guys who've been paid, he has to play to whatever contract we would potentially give him. If he wants top 5 money, that complicates things a little.

Our big contract guys have to start playing to that contract

[TEX]

Originally Posted by SNR

Exactly.

Tons of speculation is getting tossed around about what Albert's camp REALLY wants in terms of dollar figures. We have no clue if he wants a contract that will "break the bank." That might be what the agent wants, but we don't know.

Meanwhile, it's pretty convenient to call Albert an average schlub when getting rid of him will potentially justify a shitty and stupid decision you made with the 1.1 pick last year.

Albert's a good player. He's a good tackle. He's not average. He's solidly good. He's a veteran presence on the line, and he was by far our best offensive lineman on the team last year.

Yes, the contract is the key, but this team does NOT get better by ditching him. At least not in the short term. If he can be kept, then he absolutely should.

It depends on what the Chiefs will do with the $$$ that they spend on Albert as to if they would be better or not.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by SNR

Exactly.

Tons of speculation is getting tossed around about what Albert's camp REALLY wants in terms of dollar figures. We have no clue if he wants a contract that will "break the bank." That might be what the agent wants, but we don't know.

Meanwhile, it's pretty convenient to call Albert an average schlub when getting rid of him will potentially justify a shitty and stupid decision you made with the 1.1 pick last year.

Albert's a good player. He's a good tackle. He's not average. He's solidly good. He's a veteran presence on the line, and he was by far our best offensive lineman on the team last year.

Yes, the contract is the key, but this team does NOT get better by ditching him. At least not in the short term. If he can be kept, then he absolutely should.

Weren't you one of the big leaders of the charge that Left Tackles should never be 1.1's? Especially if they're not elite?

If they shouldn't be 1.1's, then what makes you think they should be worth $10M+? Or that these guys are irreplaceable?

It's pretty hypocritical. I know you don't like Fisher, but if we assume we give the job to Stephenson, the drop off in losing Albert looks like it won't be very big.

Also... of course the team loses a starting talent. But guess what, you can spend that $10M+ elsewhere. So yes, the team probably does better if they start Fisher and Stephenson and use that $10M to sign a free safety.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Weren't you one of the big leaders of the charge that Left Tackles should never be 1.1's? Especially if they're not elite?

If they shouldn't be 1.1's, then what makes you think they should be worth $10M+? Or that these guys are irreplaceable?

It's pretty hypocritical. I know you don't like Fisher, but if we assume we give the job to Stephenson, the drop off in losing Albert looks like it won't be very big.

Also... of course the team loses a starting talent. But guess what, you can spend that $10M+ elsewhere. So yes, the team probably does better if they start Fisher and Stephenson and use that $10M to sign a free safety.

Where do you get the idea that he is saying he wants to pay Albert 10 mil in that post?

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by milkman

Where do you get the idea that he is saying he wants to pay Albert 10 mil in that post?

Who cares what the exact dollar figure is. The point is that SNR believes he should be paid "solidly good" money. For Left Tackles, that's going to be probably 8-11M given the new cap. And it's undoubtedly going to cost a lot more to sign Albert than the contract we gave Fisher.

Given what SNR has posted in the past, it's pretty clear his support for Albert is pushing a much bigger agenda, which is to question the Fisher pick in a new way.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Who cares what the exact dollar figure is. The point is that SNR believes he should be paid "solidly good" money. For Left Tackles, that's going to be probably 8-11M given the new cap. And it's undoubtedly going to cost a lot more to sign Albert than the contract we gave Fisher.

Given what SNR has posted in the past, it's pretty clear his support for Albert is pushing a much bigger agenda, which is to question the Fisher pick in a new way.

So, in other words, you're making an assumption, with nothing to back it up but some percieved agenda.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Weren't you one of the big leaders of the charge that Left Tackles should never be 1.1's? Especially if they're not elite?

If they shouldn't be 1.1's, then what makes you think they should be worth $10M+? Or that these guys are irreplaceable?

It's pretty hypocritical. I know you don't like Fisher, but if we assume we give the job to Stephenson, the drop off in losing Albert looks like it won't be very big.

Also... of course the team loses a starting talent. But guess what, you can spend that $10M+ elsewhere. So yes, the team probably does better if they start Fisher and Stephenson and use that $10M to sign a free safety.

Orlando Paces should be 1.1s. If the player is good enough and enters the draft in just the right year, you can probably make a case for a lot of unorthodox positions going at 1.1. Eric Fisher is not Orlando Pace, and neither was Luke Joeckel or Lane Johnson. Therefore, the team should have went to a different player.

Didn't we just franchise Albert and pay him the average 1-year salary of the top 5 tackles in the NFL? Wasn't that number under 10 million? I'm pretty sure it was 9.5 or something like that. If we pay Albert like a top 5-10 tackle, his average salary per year figures to be around 8 or 8.5 I would assume. I don't know the numbers or the feasibility of that, I'm just making guesses based on what little I know about salary caps.

You're not willing to pay that in order to solve this offensive line garbage once and for all? So we can finally stop wasting so many 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks on offensive linemen who suck? That's a bargain, to me.

But whatever.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by SNR

Orlando Paces should be 1.1s. If the player is good enough and enters the draft in just the right year, you can probably make a case for a lot of unorthodox positions going at 1.1. Eric Fisher is not Orlando Pace, and neither was Luke Joeckel or Lane Johnson. Therefore, the team should have went to a different player.

I agree with you. But Orlando Paces are also worth the $8-10M. A "solidly good" left tackle like Albert is not, even if the market will pay him that.

Didn't we just franchise Albert and pay him the average 1-year salary of the top 5 tackles in the NFL? Wasn't that number under 10 million? I'm pretty sure it was 9.5 or something like that. If we pay Albert like a top 5-10 tackle, his average salary per year figures to be around 8 or 8.5 I would assume. I don't know the numbers or the feasibility of that, I'm just making guesses based on what little I know about salary caps.

I think we both agree on market value

You're not willing to pay that in order to solve this offensive line garbage once and for all? So we can finally stop wasting so many 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks on offensive linemen who suck? That's a bargain, to me.

I don't want to draft a 1.1 left tackle because you can use that on a playmaker
I don't want to spend $8-11M on a left tackle because you can use that same money on a playmaker

The real bargain is if Stephenson and/or Fisher comes close to Albert level play. Based on how Stephenson played, no reason to think there will be a huge dropoff. And no, I don't have a problem with continually pumping draft picks into offensive linemen, if it means that a few years from now when Stephenson is up for a new contract, you aren't obligated to pay him $10M.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

And no, I don't have a problem with continually pumping draft picks into offensive linemen, if it means that a few years from now when Stephenson is up for a new contract, you aren't obligated to pay him $10M.

Last year's line was all 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks that the team drafted. Two 1sts on the bookends, two 2nd at LG and C, and a 3rd at RG. Given the expectations a team needs to have when they invest that much draft stock in offensive linemen, those guys underperformed woefully. Albert's the only guy out there who has shown any kind of consistency from year to year. And now he's gone.

Yes, the line improved as the year went on. Is that now what they're going to play at? Can we actually count on Allen, Hudson, and Fisher to not suck balls? Is Stephenson actually ready? What happens when Hudson's contract is up next year?

And if any of those offensive linemen falter and don't meet those expectations, what are we going to do? Casually look for bargain free agents and low-round draft picks? No. We're going to keep spending valuable draft stock for that ****ing shit. That's what Reid does, and it's what the Chiefs do.

I'm getting pretty sick of it.

[Dunerdr]

Originally Posted by Cochise

The thing is, if Fisher works out they look like geniouses (CP spelling). If they re-sign Albert and Fisher stinks and it's Albert and Stephenson from there on, then we're still screwing ourselves with two big LT contracts and only one serviceable LT.

They already made the gambit when they drafted Fisher. It was a gamble. Go through with it. Don't start backtracking now and panic-pay an aging, average tackle a huge contract. You make the upside play.

When and why did we get two big left tackles and big left tackle contracts?